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Balk Rule - runner at first

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Runner at first only.  Right-handed pitcher.  The pitcher lifts his front leg and spins toward second base and then throws to first.  Is that a balk?

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Did he step towards second? If Yes..Then this is a balk. He cannot step to an unoccupied base. Unless.......Did R1 break towards 2B prior to the pitcher stepping to second? He is allowed to stepand fakeor throw to 2B if R1 made an attempt to advance.  If R1 was simply leading off, and the pitcher spun and stepped to 2B, (throw or no throw) we have a balk.

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On 10/12/2018 at 6:53 PM, Richvee said:

Did he step towards second? If Yes..Then this is a balk. He cannot step to an unoccupied base. Unless.......Did R1 break towards 2B prior to the pitcher stepping to second? He is allowed to stepand fakeor throw to 2B if R1 made an attempt to advance.  If R1 was simply leading off, and the pitcher spun and stepped to 2B, (throw or no throw) we have a balk.

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This is one of the more intricate concepts of the OBR.  I've never seen this done in a game, particularly because I imagine most everyone believes it to be a balk,  throwing to an unoccupied base despite R1 heading towards 2B.

Let's say an LHP lifts his leg,   R1 breaks on first movement...  LHP continues his motion to an inside move to 2B, legal or illegal? 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Double Up said:

This is one of the more intricate concepts of the OBR.  I've never seen this done in a game, particularly because I imagine most everyone believes it to be a balk,  throwing to an unoccupied base despite R1 heading towards 2B.

Let's say an LHP lifts his leg,   R1 breaks on first movement...  LHP continues his motion to an inside move to 2B, legal or illegal? 

 

 

 

Legal, of course.

 

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1 hour ago, Double Up said:

This is one of the more intricate concepts of the OBR.  I've never seen this done in a game, particularly because I imagine most everyone believes it to be a balk, 

 

 

 

I had it at 3B to end a game....

R2, 2 outs, last inning team AB down a run. RHP comes set. R2 breaks for 3rd. (I don't know why). F1 steps, throws to 3B, out by 20 feet. Game over. 

...Let $h*t show commence...Coaches, parents, players, all going nuts..."You don't know the rules, you're the worst umpire ever"...all the fun stuff..2 post game ejections followed, and 2 parents following us to the cars. Closest I ever came to having to call the police. 

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2 hours ago, Richvee said:

I had it at 3B to end a game....

R2, 2 outs, last inning team AB down a run. RHP comes set. R2 breaks for 3rd. (I don't know why). F1 steps, throws to 3B, out by 20 feet. Game over. 

...Let $h*t show commence...Coaches, parents, players, all going nuts..."You don't know the rules, you're the worst umpire ever"...all the fun stuff..2 post game ejections followed, and 2 parents following us to the cars. Closest I ever came to having to call the police. 

Hilarious!! Just goes to show how completely ignorant 99% of all the spectators are when it comes to the rules.    Most peoples versions of the rulebook have been handed down through old wives tales and miscommunication from their LL coaches. 

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15 hours ago, Double Up said:

Hilarious!! Just goes to show how completely ignorant 99% of all the spectators

And a good percentage of the umpires -- including some who post here.

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