Run score or Not

[Guest Chad]

Runner on 1st and 3rd with two outs. Ground ball hit to second baseman who fields and ends up tagging runner out. The runner on third scores before the out is made. Does the run count or not? Force out or not? 

 

[MadMax]

1 minute ago, Guest Chad said:

Runner on 1st and 3rd with two outs. Ground ball hit to second baseman who fields and ends up tagging runner out. The runner on third scores before the out is made. Does the run count or not? Force out or not? 

Look at the very elements you presented to us:

Runner on 1st (R1), with two outs. That R1 is forced to 2B when Batter puts the ball in play and becomes Batter-Runner, does he not?

I'm assuming that 2nd Baseman (known as F4) tagged R1, yes? It is irrelevant as to if F4 tags R1, runs over and toe-taps 2B, holds the ball (securely) in his hand and taps 2B with his glove, or shovel passes it to Shortstop (F6) who is standing on the bag to securely receive it. R1 has been retired as an Out. Because the 3rd Out was made upon a Forced runner – no matter how it was done – No Runs Can Score.

You answered your own question. It is a Force out. What led you to believe otherwise?

[Guest Tagging base Vs player]

I just wanted to make sure it didn’t make a difference since the kid was tagged out by physically touching him with the ball instead of tagging the base.

[Jimurray]

24 minutes ago, MadMax said:

Look at the very elements you presented to us:

Runner on 1st (R1), with two outs. That R1 is forced to 2B when Batter puts the ball in play and becomes Batter-Runner, does he not?

I'm assuming that 2nd Baseman (known as F4) tagged R1, yes? It is irrelevant as to if F4 tags R1, runs over and toe-taps 2B, holds the ball (securely) in his hand and taps 2B with his glove, or shovel passes it to Shortstop (F6) who is standing on the bag to securely receive it. R1 has been retired as an Out. Because the 3rd Out was made upon a Forced runner – no matter how it was done – No Runs Can Score.

You answered your own question. It is a Force out. What led you to believe otherwise?

I think you and we are being trolled but if the guest answers your question maybe not.

[ARK1215]

No. 

[Replacematt]

18 minutes ago, ARK1215 said:

No. 

No, what?

[noumpere]

8 hours ago, Guest Chad said:

Runner on 1st and 3rd with two outs. Ground ball hit to second baseman who fields and ends up tagging runner out. The runner on third scores before the out is made. Does the run count or not? Force out or not? 

 

Not enough information to answer.

 

The *likely* answer,  the run does not count, as given above, assumes that R1 is tagged before reaching second.  It's possible, of course, especially in level where this question might really come up, that R1 reached second, overran (or overslid) the base and was then tagged.

[stkjock]

1 hour ago, noumpere said:

The *likely* answer,  the run does not count, as given above, assumes that R1 is tagged before reaching second.  It's possible, of course, especially in level where this question might really come up, that R1 reached second, overran (or overslid) the base and was then tagged.

those odds are worse than the powerball....  

[isired]

those odds are worse than the powerball....  

They're definitely not. Especially considering R3 crossed home before the tag - seems like a low level of play and likely that some shenanigans went on before the tag.

[Aging_Arbiter]

14 hours ago, noumpere said:

Ground ball hit to second baseman who fields and ends up tagging runner out

I haven't seen a 2nd baseman shifted to the SS side of the bag yet.  Yes, some Pro guys make saves like that, but this stated hit to the 2nd baseman.  I've got a force and no run can score under 4.09 (a) exception