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A coach wants to know if on deck batter can use a tee if he does so behind the dugout. 
My first inclination is to say NO since players are required to be in dugout unless on the field, on deck circle or warming up in bullpen. Any thoughts?

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2001, SITUATION 1: The home team has an enclosed batting cage behind its dugout. During the game, batters will take batting practice before batting in the game. The visiting coach complains to the plate umpire and wants the plate umpire to either allow his team to hit before its at-bats, or not allow anyone to use the batting cage during the game. RULING: The umpire has no jurisdiction over the use of equipment or facilities outside the confines of the field. This is a matter that must be settled between the coaches or their league. However, if batting practice is taken during the game and the sound of the metal bats becomes distracting, the umpire can prohibit further use of the batting cage. (10-2-3; Approved Ruling 1990)

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3.3.1 SITUATION BB: Team A has one of its players in uniform in the bleachers behind home plate or in the bleachers along the third-base line.

RULING: All players, attendants and bench personnel shall remain in the dugout (bench) or bullpen at all times, unless they are a batter, runner, on-deck batter, an occupant of a coach’s box or one of the nine players on defense. The umpire shall eject the offender from the game, unless the offense is judged to be of a minor nature, in which case the umpire may warn the offender and then eject him if he repeats the offense. Failure to comply shall result in the game being forfeited.

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2 hours ago, maven said:

3.3.1 SITUATION BB: Team A has one of its players in uniform in the bleachers behind home plate or in the bleachers along the third-base line.

RULING: All players, attendants and bench personnel shall remain in the dugout (bench) or bullpen at all times, unless they are a batter, runner, on-deck batter, an occupant of a coach’s box or one of the nine players on defense. The umpire shall eject the offender from the game, unless the offense is judged to be of a minor nature, in which case the umpire may warn the offender and then eject him if he repeats the offense. Failure to comply shall result in the game being forfeited.

 

Is the "on deck" batter required to be in the on deck circle, ie. on the field?   That would be a loophole for this ruling.   In other words, is "on deck" a physical place, or a description of your position in the line up? 

To the original question, depending on the field, often times the "bullpen", or, more accurately, the area where relief pitchers warm up, is right behind the dugout, and if no pitchers are warming up, the "in the hole" batter might go in this "bullpen" area to take some swings into a net before going on deck.    In others, the batting cage is the bullpen.

The context is there is a "team area" for players to remain - that includes bench and bullpen AREAS, and not the stands or beer garden. 

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Here are a couple of applicable NFHS rules:

1-2-3: The on-deck circle should be to the side and away from home plate, 37 feet if space allows. Neither team’s players shall warm up in the other team’s on-deck circle. The on-deck circle does not have to be occupied, but if a player wishes to warm up, he shall do so only in his team’s on-deck circle, provided the on-deck circle is located safely away from home plate. (2-23)

1-3-4:  Only bats may be used in warming up (including weighted bats used for this purpose) at any location. Only bats and items designed to remain part of the bat, such as weighted bats, batting donuts, and wind-resistant devices are legal at any location.

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I would also say no, because the on-deck batter can only be in the on-deck circle or in his dugout. No one except a pitcher, catcher, bullpen coach, protector, or player acting as catcher should be in the bullpen, and since an on-deck batter is none of the above, he must be in the on-deck circle or dugout. 

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On 4/2/2018 at 8:54 AM, noumpere said:

RULING: The umpire has no jurisdiction over the use of equipment or facilities outside the confines of the field.

This is the key component that needs to be stated, and re-stated, ad nauseam until it sinks in. It basically says, "Don't go looking for trouble outside of your purview". If an on-deck batter (or any batter, for that matter) is behind the dugout, outside the confines of the field, then why are we (as umpires) concerned with it?

"But but but, MadMax!", you'll say, "What about this other bit that Maven quoted?!"

On 4/2/2018 at 10:12 AM, maven said:

RULING: All players, attendants and bench personnel shall remain in the dugout (bench) or bullpen at all times, unless they are a batter, runner, on-deck batter, an occupant of a coach’s box or one of the nine players on defense. The umpire shall eject the offender from the game, unless the offense is judged to be of a minor nature, in which case the umpire may warn the offender and then eject him if he repeats the offense. Failure to comply shall result in the game being forfeited.

If this was a hard-&-fast rule, with strict and utmost adherence, then games would grind to an utter halt. Who's going to shag and track down foul balls (inside the confines or outside, in DBT)? Who's going to bring new baseballs, or water, to the umpire during dead ball times? And, barring complete restrooms attached to or in each dugout (extremely rare), how can we conceivably keep 18-30 teenagers (or more) from relieving themselves for 2 hours?

When a hitter jacks a Home Run (over the fence), while we may not actively endorse it, do we not tolerate the batter's bench coming out to congratulate him at HP?

Additionally, Fed Rules acknowledge and allow for the inclusion of any JV or Freshman players (with notification, of course) at any time! So, in essence, a JV player (or several) can walk up, in uniform, having already played in a JV game on an adjacent field, and sit in the stands and watch the game. Then, at any point, the coach(es) can beckon him into the dugout so as to add and include him to the game! And we're not supposed to prevent him from doing so!

No, what Maven is stating is intended to equip you with the ability to deal with A) what goes on within the confines of the field, and B) what activity may directly affect the conduction of the game at hand (e.g. players or coaches leaving the dugout so as to go up in the stands and scout, distract, or gain an advantage over the other team, or to criticize the umpire(s)).

One of my colleagues got himself into a precarious "sticky and smelly spot" during a game at a high school that not only supported full Varsity, JV and Freshman teams, but had fields upon which to conduct games around the same time as, if not simultaneous to, the featured Varsity game. The Varsity field had an attached, but secluded (not exposed in LBT) bullpen with several bumps and plates. As it turns out, a Freshman pitcher and his catcher entered the bullpen from the outer gate so as to warm up for their impending game (or game underway, details unclear). This colleague made a point of stopping the game to direct the Varsity Head Coach, who he was already at odds with, to order the Freshman catcher, who was not participating in the game-at-hand, to put a mask on. The coach's ultimate response? "Worry about the game inside the fence, FirstName". Well, needless to say, it escalated and the colleague "had to" eject the HC.

Where does this relate to the OP? Simple... If a coach asks you "Can a batter warm up behind my dugout?", reply with, "Can I see the backside of your dugout from here?" "Uh, no." "Does the backside of your dugout have a view or angle upon the mound?" "Uhhh.... I don't think... no." "Then there isn't a problem. If it becomes a problem, FirstName, I'll have to step in and deal with it. Until that happens, let's have a good game, eh FirstName?"

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