dead ball

[Guest bob]

If a runner is standing on third base and a batted ball hits them while they are in contact with the base, is it a live or dead ball?

[Rich Ives]

23 minutes ago, Guest bob said:

If a runner is standing on third base and a batted ball hits them while they are in contact with the base, is it a live or dead ball?

If a fair batted ball hits him in fair territory before it has passed a fielder he is out and the ball is dead

If a fair batted ball hits him in fair territory after it has passed a fielder and no other fielder has a play on the ball then he is NOT out and the ball is in play.

[maven]

Building on Ives's answer:

1. It matters where the ball is when it hits R3 on 3B. If the ball is over foul territory when it strikes R3, then it's a foul ball; if the ball is over fair territory when it strikes R3, then it's a fair ball.
2. A runner who is hit by a foul batted ball is not out for INT: it's just a foul ball.
3. If the ball is fair, then we have one more thing to consider, namely where F5 is playing. If he's playing "in," and the ball passes him before hitting the runner, then we play the bounce: point it fair, play on (maybe verbalize, "that's nothing! Play on!"). If F5 is playing back, then we have INT: the ball is dead, the runner is out, and other runners return.
4. Being in contact with the base is no protection from this infraction.

[grayhawk]

Well, there's the whole "through, or by" requirement in OBR and NCAA to absolve the runner of interference.  If F5 was playing way off the line (perhaps a "shift" situation), then it doesn't matter if it "passes" him or not.  The runner will be out if the ball was over fair territory when it hit him.  Conversely, if F5 dove for the ball and missed it (through, or by F5), and the fair ball hit the runner, then he's not out and play the bounce.

I suspect the OP's question is based on 60 foot bases, because there's no reason for R3 to be on the bag when the ball was batted otherwise.  A lot of youth ball is played on modified OBR (LL and PONY, for example), so the "through, or by" principle should be in effect.  If that's the case, then in the vast majority of cases, the runner will be out when a fair ball hits him while he's standing on the bag.

[Kevin_K]

Should we mention that if it's an infield fly the runner can be hit by the ball while on the base and not be out?

[Richvee]

2 minutes ago, Kevin_K said:

Should we mention that if it's an infield fly the runner can be hit by the ball while on the base and not be out?

we just did 

[noumpere]

12 hours ago, Kevin_K said:

Should we mention that if it's an infield fly the runner can be hit by the ball while on the base and not be out?

unless ....

[White47]

15 hours ago, grayhawk said:

Well, there's the whole "through, or by" requirement in OBR and NCAA to absolve the runner of interference.  If F5 was playing way off the line (perhaps a "shift" situation), then it doesn't matter if it "passes" him or not.  The runner will be out if the ball was over fair territory when it hit him.  Conversely, if F5 dove for the ball and missed it (through, or by F5), and the fair ball hit the runner, then he's not out and play the bounce.

 

I like your explanation. The way I think of it is did the the runner think the fielder was going to field the ball, and the reason it hit him is because he missed it. 

[Guest Carl]

20 hours ago, maven said:

Building on Ives's answer:

1. It matters where the ball is when it hits R3 on 3B. If the ball is over foul territory when it strikes R3, then it's a foul ball; if the ball is over fair territory when it strikes R3, then it's a fair ball.
2. A runner who is hit by a foul batted ball is not out for INT: it's just a foul ball.
3. If the ball is fair, then we have one more thing to consider, namely where F5 is playing. If he's playing "in," and the ball passes him before hitting the runner, then we play the bounce: point it fair, play on (maybe verbalize, "that's nothing! Play on!"). If F5 is playing back, then we have INT: the ball is dead, the runner is out, and other runners return.
4. Being in contact with the base is no protection from this infraction.

What happens to the batter?

[White47]

7 minutes ago, Guest Carl said:

What happens to the batter?

The batter should get first all other runners return unless forced to advance 

[beerguy55]

On 2/19/2018 at 3:58 PM, grayhawk said:

I suspect the OP's question is based on 60 foot bases, because there's no reason for R3 to be on the bag when the ball was batted otherwise.  A lot of youth ball is played on modified OBR (LL and PONY, for example), so the "through, or by" principle should be in effect.  If that's the case, then in the vast majority of cases, the runner will be out when a fair ball hits him while he's standing on the bag.

Or softball where you can't lead off until ball leaves pitcher's hand.

And in softball the runner is not out (if in contact with the base)...the fair batted ball is live if the ball passed a fielder before hitting the runner, and dead if it had not (and BR gets first base - all other runners remain, unless forced)....provided there's no judged intent.

On 2/20/2018 at 9:52 AM, Guest Carl said:

What happens to the batter?

Gets first base and is credited with a hit.
 

 

On 2/19/2018 at 12:49 PM, Guest bob said:

If a runner is standing on third base and a batted ball hits them while they are in contact with the base, is it a live or dead ball

And also - to answer the original question about whether the ball is dead or alive (rather than if the runner is out or safe) in any code in baseball/softball if the ball is foul when it touches the batter who is touching the base it's dead...it's just a foul ball.