noumpere

Good job by U1 in getting this and Ive seen it missed at lower levels more times than I can count - either staying with the ball too long and not seeing the touch or being to focused and not seing the big picture.

That's impossible, apparently.

The rules are a little confusing on this on but the clearest part I think is in 6.08d " If a fair ball touches an umpire after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher, or having touched a fielder, including the pitcher, the ball is in play. "

I consider it a success if I remember to put on my undergarments before I put on my pants and shirt. Any more than that is overthinking it.

Really? because I don't see that he got the double play and while the philosophy part of this is good I think it can be taken too far. You said no one could get to it easily so that's all you need to know. I DO THINK he got the DP, and was a missed tag away from a TP. He came in scooped up the ball and ran in towards second base. I am fairly certain that my partner botched the call. I pretty sure. based on how the play went, that the CF touched second base and probably tagged the runner that should have been running to third, that was instead standing on second base. The "DP" that needs to be made is on force outs so if he was trying to fool the runners he would of thrown to third right away or tagged the runner at second and then stepped on the base. Based on your description before I don't have it as an infield fly.

Are these interps published or did they come in a memo only? Do you have a link? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 I got them in a memo but they likely will be on the arbiter ncaa hub soon if they are not there already. The interpretations form a couple of previous months are there.

Okay I know not all of us work NCAA ball but a couple of the interpretations that came out this month were interesting (alt least to me, lol) and seem to deal with topics that get discussed here a lot. If you can find the specific topics and want to move the rulings there that would be great: 1. Can a pitcher take actual pitching signs from the dugout and when he is not in contact with the pitching rubber? Rule 9-2j Penalty—The rule states the pitcher must take the sign from the catcher with his pivot foot on the rubber. A ball shall be called each time a pitcher violates this rule. 5. When does the defense lose its opportunity to correct an obvious mistake made by the umpiring crew? Situation—ball four is called on the batter but he is not directed to go to first base. The batter gets a base hit or home run on the next pitch. Rule 8-6b—Interpretation, the defense has lost its opportunity to appeal since a pitch has been thrown after ball four had been called. The base hit or home run would stand. Appeals must take place before the next pitch, play or attempted play.

I worked 18 innings behind the plate in the relatively hot sun this past weekend and would not want to do another game right away even on the bases.

@UmpJM I called him out. Should I have reemphasized that he was still out after the ball was dropped? Yes if there was any question about it. Just like on any "on the transfer" type of call. Note that there might be some subtle differences between the rules codes and if the tag was for example in a rundown and the chasing fielder swiped at the runner and then stumbles for 5 seconds (which is a very long time) and then drops the ball you might have a different answer.

Really? because I don't see that he got the double play and while the philosophy part of this is good I think it can be taken too far. You said no one could get to it easily so that's all you need to know.

They can't but the TD and the assigner don't care or to put it another way they don't feel whatever the drop off is offset by them having to assign additional umpires.

All of that applies "from the windup position." Once the pitcher does one of the three things allowed hes no longer "in the windup position" So the prohibition on going to the set does not apply any longer.

I agree with this for example when the assigner tried to give you 6 on Saturday and you could only do 5 -- that meant he had to find someone for 1 and that's hard. Maybe if you had split it up 3 and 3 it would have been easier. Find someone or two someones who have the same philosophy as you and take the whole day for the three of you and work out the breaks. As long as the assigner only has to make the one call to get it done he will still be happy.

Great point and maybe the ground rules in the park are that the green padding at the top is out of play. If it hit the top it would have continued into the stands - HS Physics. The universal ground rules from MLB cover this - it's in play. Park rules cannot override the universal rules. Fan interference is a "god" rule - the umpires award whatever they think necessary. I meant the green padding on the facing above the red part -- iow just where the ball hit. JUst like a park might have a ground rule that "above the yellow line is a homerun" And it was a joke.

Its good to not take any gruff when your working alone but I wouldnt mention it at the plate meeting. IMO it just sets the expectation thay your expecting something to happen. I just work hard (duh) and then deal with what happens.

Great point and maybe the ground rules in the park are that the green padding at the top is out of play.

Both -- decalre the batter out and then let what happens happen. It just wasnt clear to me from your post whether you were goign to drop the "batter's out" part of what you did and you should keep it.

You need to remember these two parts of your post and let that direct your actions and NOT do what you did.

You didn't miss any rule and all you can do is take a quick glance just before the ball is touched to see if R3 is on the base. After that you need to stay with the catch. And if the Defencive manager complains you get a chance to practice your game management techniques.

Now whose inventing a rule?

You're inventing a rule. Under some codes, a fielder might not be violating a rule for knocking the runner down, but that permission does not entail that he may (even unintentionally) hold the runner down after contact. Options: 1) BS 2) we're seeing different things and if we saw the play we'd likely rule the same way 3) one of us (and its probably me) is not describing it correctly 4) all of the above

If your reaching for the hot ball boys "helmet" then your on the wrong site (or else I am).

I disagree with your interp. Intent is not required to rule OBS: the operative question is whether the runner was hindered. If the ball got far enough away where he had a reasonable chance to advance, then the fielder being on him is OBS, otherwise not. Benefit of the doubt to the offense in this judgment: the defense screwed up. Same reasoning at any base. I agree that intent isn't needed but there does need to be some time to untangle the train wreck.

Yes. Don't use your first point. Use points 2 and 3 on RH batters as well as LH batters

Well -- the batter swung and didn't bat the ball so its a strike. The batter got hit so its a dead ball. What else do you need?