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  1. U1 in 3 Man

    How would you adjust from being U1 in a 2-man game to being U1 in a 3-man game? I know the mechanics changes that are in the manual (you don't go inside unless there is a runner at 2B without a runner on 1B, you do not pivot, you go to home plate on rotations, etc.). You (the typical HS/JUCO/sub-AA pro umpire) have worked many 2-man games on the bases and have ingrained habits that help you be in better position. How would you "undo" those habits when you work 3-man? Do you say "no pivot unless U3 leaves", "go home", "stay in A [with a runner on 1B or R1/R3]" to yourself in situations where 2-man differs from 3-man, as a reminder, or would you use different strategies? Are there any other mental or mechanical changes that you use as U1 in a 3-man game? I have worked a 3-man scrimmage at HP, so I understand the adjustments to be made there (slightly different rotations, check with U3 on swings by left-handed batters, signals to the middle umpire, if someone is inside, or to U3, if both base umpires are on their lines).
  2. High School Playoffs

    I've noticed over in the collegiate section of this forum that there is a thread dedicated to NCAA Postseason umpires. I thought, why not make a similar thread for high school folks good (or lucky) enough to work in their playoffs. I'd like us to be able to congratulate each other on our playoff assignments, reflect on our playoff experiences, and learn more about each others' playoff tournaments. I am a second-year umpire in MAC/NVBUA, and have worked playoffs in each of the past 2 seasons (last year, I worked a 4A Sectional Quarterfinal game, this year a 4A Sectional Final game). Maryland (MPSSAA, the governing body for public school sports) runs 2 tournaments to determine a state champion for each of 4 classifications (1A is very small schools, 2A is small schools, 3A is medium schools, and 4A is large schools), first the Regional Tournament, to decide the state semifinalists, and then the State Tournament, starting with the semifinals at 4 different sites (Cannon Stadium in Anne Arundel County (3A), Harford Community College (2A), McCurdy Field (Harry Grove Stadium) in Frederick (1A), and Shirley Povich Field (4A), also the home field for the Georgetown Hoyas baseball team), and then all four finals at Ripken Stadium, home to the Aberdeen IronBirds of the New York-Penn League. MPSSAA pays for two umpires for the Regional Tournament, however, MAC supplies 3 umpires for as many playoff games as possible each year. For the State Tournament, MPSSAA assigns and pays for 3 officials. Last year, I worked a 2-man Sectional Quarterfinal (1st round) game as the plate umpire, and I had to suspend it because the steady drizzle to start the game had turned into a torrential downpour. I was stuck in position behind the catcher, so my partner and I decided to call the game. It was resumed on the following Monday with a different crew. Today, I worked a 3-man Sectional Final (3rd round) game as the first base umpire. It was an eye-opening and exciting experience, because I had never worked 3-man before this year. I had practice as the home plate umpire working 3-man in a preseason scrimmage (I was able to do a rotation with no one on), so I knew association practices and the 3-man rotations from that perspective. Today, I was able to get many nice looks on pickoffs at 1st and 2nd base due to the closer positions that 3-man allows for (Short A and Deep B really open up the wedge for those types of calls), and enjoyed making many close calls on pickoffs. I was also able to go out with a runner on 1st to rule on a potential low catch (the fielder dove, but failed to catch the ball, and R1 was forced out at second). Because I had read through 3-man mechanics manuals before, I was able to get into the groove after the 1st half-inning ended (I only had to remind myself once to stay in A with a runner on 1st base). It was a great experience, and I'd love to be able to work a Regional Final game this year. If not, I might get other 3-man playoff games next year.
  3. Rules differences from obr

    If there are 9 players, the starting pitcher is a P/DH and can be replaced in either capacity. For instance, if the pitcher is replaced as pitcher, he can remain as the DH.
  4. Transition to SB

    I meant the rubber, but baseball is my first spring sport, and baseball terms sometimes sneak in even when I am thinking about softball. Some terminology is different: "hub" vs "working area", "holding area" vs "library" etc. In addition, U1 has to buttonhook to get into the infield on plays, because he starts outside the 2B or SS with runners on base (In 3-man, the same applies for U3, or U1 in the counter-rotated position). I've also looked at 3-man mechanics diagrams in the NFHS softball manual, and U1 pivots before going home. This is a headscratcher to me, because a baseball U1 in a 3-man game stops at 1B to watch the touch at 1B, before going home as R1 rounds 2B. Is this actually done in HS playoff or NCAA 3-umpire softball games? Any other mechanics quirks that a baseball umpire would need to know when doing softball?
  5. Plate Coat

    I've looked on the Honigs website, but plate coats are not listed there, only jackets. Does this mean that plate coats are just an item that is made-to-order, and that I would need to especially call for one? What would be a ballpark figure that I would be expected to pay for one?
  6. U1 in 3 Man

    I was able to work 3-man as the U1 this year at a Sectional Final playoff game in MD, and I can say that it isn't easier than 2-man, but it is simpler. Once I was able to read the manual and have a few situations where U3 went to the deep B position, I was able to stay in A with confidence, and have great looks at pickoff attempts at 1B. After the runners moved up to 2nd, I was able to get to deep B, cover the back of my U3, and make calls on pickoff plays at 2B. I was even able to go out on a ball to RF with a runner at 1B and make a call (no catch)! It did take a little bit of adjustment (with 2 outs, U3 and I reverted back to me in A, him in C, what we would be in for a R1/R2 or bases loaded situation), but it was a very enjoyable experience. This is why 3-man as the U1 is not easier than, but simpler than 2-man.
  7. 1st game in 26 years.

    Well, in that case H would be U3's between inning rest position, and I would be U2's rest position (generalizing for more than 2 umpires). Would deep B and deep C then be L and M, with outside C being referred to as the N position? Obviously, D, H, L, and M exist only in 3-man mechanics, and I and N only in 4 man mechanics. If @wwsodeputy would work the playoffs, then it might be useful for him to know that, as most states use 3 or 4 man mechanics at some point in the playoffs.
  8. 1st game in 26 years.

    G, J, and K? I only know about A, B, C, and D positions. Anyway, good luck with your season.
  9. Rule Differences From OBR - FED / NFHS Edition

    There is a link to Steve the Ump, a website run by an NJSIAA umpire about various aspects of umpiring baseball. That link is specifically about the differences between HS and pro rules. This is a list of differences from UmpireBible, grouped by categories of rules. Both are very informative, and up-to-date resources, especially the UmpireBible link.
  10. Rules differences from obr

    Here is the 2018 CCA Baseball Manual as a PDF. I was somehow able to find a link to this on the Internet. Enjoy! It should prove useful. 2018CCAManual.pdf
  11. Women in the profession

    Who knows, maybe Jen Pawol makes it to the big leagues for real. If she can become at least a AAA/MLB call-up, and work some regular season MLB games, more will follow. The big question that needs to be answered if associations are to recruit (female) umpires is why would someone want to umpire. If that question can be answered for the membership in general, then it would be possible to derive the reasons why a woman would want to become an umpire. If baseball associations can do a better job in recruiting officials from other sports, maybe the number of female officials can increase (especially if the sports in question have significant female participation, e.g. volleyball, basketball, and/or softball).
  12. High School Playoffs

    No steals of 2nd, plays at 3rd, or going out from D? I had a lot of pickoffs at 1B and 2B, including a few bangers.
  13. High School Playoffs

    Congratulations! Go on and make your unit proud! How crazy is it that Georgia actually does 3-man series for the playoffs. Just like SC. I guess it is a thing to have playoffs played as series in the South, to eliminate the luck factor involved in winning 1 game. Congratulations, and it sure sounds like fun. If I ever end up moving down South, I'd definitely love to work a series like that.
  14. High School Playoffs

    OK. I asked because I saw some associations (the North Coast Officials Association, for one) post the names of postseason crews that they have had, particularly those officials who have worked a championship game, on their websites. Have you personally ever been selected to work in the Southern Section playoffs? AFAIK, the tournaments use 3 umpires throughout, until the final round, when they use 4.
  15. High School Playoffs

    Is CA as anal as NJ when it comes to discussing the postseason? I thought it was a more open place, from what I saw on different association websites (North Coast Officials Association and some others posted the names and crews of umpires working in the section and CIF tournaments). This is how I think it works, so correct me if I'm wrong. First, teams in each section play a sectional tournament, with the winners going on to the CIF tournament. The local associations control umpires for the sectional tournament, but the CIF makes the call for the state tournament. Or is CA like some other states, where the governing body controls all playoff assignments (NJ or SC)?
  16. High School Playoffs

    That's awesome. If I ever do get a car, and find a job down there, I'd love to work baseball there. Are there any umpires who also do basketball, because basketball playoffs overlap with the beginning of baseball season? I'm asking because I currently work football and basketball as well as baseball, and I am reluctant to give up either sport. I'very read the rating criteria for SCBOA, and they look objective to me (test scores, camp attendance, clinic attendance, peer evaluations), so I guess the criteria that the SCHSL office in Columbia uses for baseball are also objective. In basketball, you need to work at least 10 varsity games to qualify for the SCHSL playoffs. Is there some similar requirement for baseball? MD has a games worked criterion for football (6 varsity games), but not for baseball.
  17. Delayed call puts runner at disadvantage

    It is relevant, because the ball is not in the fielder's possession when the "tag" is made. Because there is no possession, there cannot be a tag. Because there is no tag (although there appears to be one), the base umpire must signal "safe", since the play on the runner failed. I would use either "Safe, on the ground", because the ball rolled away, or "safe, no tag" to explain the situation.
  18. Baseball Umpire

    Some of the questions are obvious, like questions 3 and 5. Others are not so obvious (The answer to Question 7 depends on the rules used. In high school rules, there exists an option for a coach to verbally appeal a baserunning infraction while the ball is dead. In other rule sets, the ball must be alive). No intent = no interference, if the base coach is where he ought to be (in the coach's box). If not, then strict liability applies (any contact with a thrown ball by base coach = out). Yes, for ball 4 the batter is only awarded 1B, because the award for a pitch that goes out of play is one base for any runner. Because Ball 4 entitles the batter to become a runner and awards him 1st base, he receives the right to run to 1st base without jeopardy of being put out. The fact that the pitch goes out of play is irrelevant, and only requires the plate umpire to toss the pitcher a new baseball, and put said baseball into play. 6 should also be obvious, because the left fielder failed to demonstrate control, and did not release the ball intentionally or in a voluntary manner. If you want to ask rules questions in the future, be more clear as to context (test vs real-life application), rules code (HS vs OBR (pro rules), etc. That way the other posters won't poke fun at you. Umpires do have a weird sense of humor, sometimes .
  19. Baseball vs Softball

    I am both a baseball umpire and a softball umpire, and have noticed that some other users have experience umpiring both as well. I have also noticed that there are significant differences in mechanics between the two sports (softball umpires are less likely to call "Play" or point to the pitcher to signal "Play" than baseball umpires), and that some softball umpires do not want baseball mentioned in connection with softball. AFAIK, some baseball umpires with bad mechanics have borrowed their non-standard mechanics from softball (using "Dead Ball" on a stoppage of play, a big no-no for baseball umpires), and some softball umpires have inappropriately appropriated baseball mechanics (pointing on strikes), so some degree of crossover is inevitable (plate mechanics are similar in both sports, and the process of taking a play at a base is also basically identical). Do baseball umpires have a similarly dismissive attitude towards softball and softball umpires as (some) softball umpires do towards baseball and baseball umpires? Are there any baseball mechanics that are seen as unnecessary for a softball umpire, the way that brushing the rubber and bases and/or carrying the ball to the mound is for a baseball umpire?
  20. High School Playoffs

    Congratulations! It's surprising that SC has its state championship so early, but maybe the warmer weather down there does allow for baseball to begin sooner than in other states. It's also really cool that the championship is a series, not 1 game as in MD. I'm guessing that y'all use 3 umpires throughout the tournament (or at least for the semis and finals).
  21. A plea to all umpires (especially my partners)

    Indeed. In a game involving military teams/ROTC/Boy Scouts, I would tell the band to play "Taps" for the baseball, every time one of my partners call "Dead Ball" . Hearing that a few times would teach my partners to stop saying "Dead Ball" on a stoppage of play.
  22. Delayed call puts runner at disadvantage

    In a situation where there is a close play (tag or force) on a runner, and the fielder drops (or otherwise fails to secure) the ball when trying to make a play, when the attempted play ends, I signal and say "Safe!", and then point to the ground (where the ball fell) and say "On the ground!" Should a fielder fail to control the ball on a tag (or force play), I say and signal safe, and do the "juggling" signal that a football official would use to indicate that a pass was not controlled, and say "No control!" Should a fielder be off the base in an attempt to complete a force play, I do the "sweeping signal" with both arms, and say "Safe, off the bag!" This way, I inform the players (and other participants/spectators) that something unusual happened, and that the runner is not out, when an out could have been reasonably expected.
  23. High School Playoffs

    Well, how does the postseason work in TN? Have you, or anyone else you know, had any postseason assignments this year? I'd love to hear all about it. I know that NJ is anal about its umpires not talking about the playoffs, but what is it like in PA? Have you, anyone you know, or other U-E users from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, gotten any playoffs this past year? In MD, teams are divided into 4 Regions by size (from 1A to 4A in increasing size order) and geography (e.g. 4A South includes all big schools in Prince George's County), and these regions are divided into sections, for ease of scheduling. Regional champions advance to the semifinals, from whence the winners advance to the State Championship at Ripken Stadium in Aberdeen. Local associations select officials to work in the regional tournament, if both teams are from the same association coverage (2 PG teams get a MAC crew, but a Montgomery County team playing a Frederick County team gets a neutral crew, because MoCo and FredCo use different associations in the regular season). I know that PA has 12 districts, and that both public schools and private schools are involved (MD only has public schools competing in the state championship, so local private school associations [WCAC, IAC, MAC [the conference, not the association], etc.] compete on their own). That said, how similar is the PA system to the Maryland system. Does PIAA assign officials to all rounds of the playoffs, or is there some local control involved? What are the eligibility requirements, other than passing the rules test and attendance at the rules interpretation meeting (or completing an online clinic [VA and some other states replace the rules clinic with watching an online video])?
  24. ball in glove and hand on base

    He's out! Since this is a force play, the requirements are more relaxed (the second baseman merely has to touch the base with some part of his body before the runner on 1st arrives). If F4 had tried to tag the runner, instead of the base, his actions would not be considered a tag, because a tag on a player requires contact with the ball in the hand, or the ball in the glove touching the runner.
  25. High School Playoffs

    Maven, does the ban also cover talking about past assignments? AFAIK, there is no competitive advantage to be gained when the game is done. Re: OH, how are things done there? Does your local association (SUA) make playoff assignments for some rounds, or is it all done by OHSAA, from the first round to the state championship?
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