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  1. beerguy55

    Triple Play Appeal LSU

    It was a mistake by everyone all around. It was indeed the original R2, the one who got tagged out (compare the socks of the original R3 and R2 and you'll see which one is standing on base when the appeal is made). No idea why R2 decided to stay on base after being tagged out, nor why umps/coaches/players didn't notice. In the end, defensive coach knew they were doing an appeal, umps knew they were doing an appeal, so I suspect they just focused on that. I'm also suspecting the guy handling the on screen graphic and score was just lost - B/R was called out, but you can't see if he arbitrarily decided to stay on his base too. I'm about 99% sure BU saw U2's out call and the discussion was to just make sure they were all on the same page.
  2. beerguy55

    Triple Play Appeal LSU

    The one thing the announcers got right is there should not have been a runner on third base when the appeal was made - he was tagged out. (and that was indeed the original R2 standing on base there for some odd reason) It should have been two out, R2 (btw, he never tagged up either), with a run in, pending appeal. I don't see PU make ANY call after R3 crosses the plate...if he didn't see the batter was called out, he should be calling R3 out on the force, no? If he sees B/R is out, is no signal/call here correct - or should he be signalling safe? I'm wondering if he did see U2's call. Also - unless NCAA score keeping rules are different than OBR, I'm pretty sure it's a triple play OBR Rule 9.11 Comment: The official scorer shall credit a double play or triple play also if an appeal play after the ball is in possession of the pitcher results in an additional putout
  3. beerguy55

    2 strikes 1 pitch

    The ruling above (which is in the Pitching section of the rule book, and then references Rule 7 for the batter's part in the scenario), seems to be in the context of the batter causing, or potentially causing, the pitcher to "balk" by calling time and stepping out of the box without time granted - sounds like FED wants, when the pitcher is on the rubber and the batter is in the box, if the batter steps out with BOTH feet, a strike called immediately. And then if the pitcher throws while the batter is going "wtf?" a second strike should be called. This, to me, seems to fly in the face of the quick pitch rule and the safety therein - encouraging/allowing the pitcher to pitch when the batter (and possibly the catcher/umpire) clearly isn't ready.
  4. beerguy55

    2 strikes 1 pitch

    Is this the exact scenario you had? Batter steps out, call strike. PItcher throws. Call a strike. 'cause you could also have Pitcher Throws, call strike. Batter steps out and delays, call strike. Batter delays more, call strike. Not only two strikes on one pitch, but three strikes on one pitch. According to 7-3-1 you could get three strikes on no pitches, could you not?
  5. beerguy55

    What is the correct call?

    In softball, first, the runner is NOT out if on the base when he is hit by the ball. The ball can be dead or alive, depending on the positioning of the fielders. If it passed a fielder it's live, if not it's dead. On a dead ball the runners remain on their base, unless forced by the batter. Unless the shortstop was playing inside the baseline this is probably going to be a dead ball, with batter getting first, and R2 staying on second unless there was already a runner on first. There are also some variants of slow pitch where this is always a live ball.
  6. beerguy55


    There are some variances among the softball codes, but I don't think much. First - the other team must appeal before the offending team notices and announces the substitution. In this case, the offense must appeal before the defense fixes it. Assuming that happens - Essentially - the player is declared ineligible, must leave the game, and must be subbed - in this case, it's a double whammy - because it's an illegal re-entry, the player who original subbed to bat is now out of the game, the player who was re-entered without announcement is also out of the game. If the team has no other subs, they forfeit. AND...if the offense appeals before the next pitch, they have the option to nullify the pitch/play - the batter would return with whatever count he had before the pitch he hit for the out. The appealing team has the choice - so, for example, if the batter got a hit and two RBI's, and then appealed the substitution, they could take the play, and get the player removed from the game. Or, they could wait until a scenario came up where that illegal substitute made an out - they can appeal the illegal substitution any time until the end of the game, before the umps leave the field, or until the other team corrects their mistake. All other play that occurred with the illegal substitution prior to the appeal is legal and stands. NOTE: I have coached in codes where the umpire corrects the mistake at the end of the inning, if they notice it (the common scenario that can come up is a team subs their pitcher mid-inning and in all the activity actually forgets to formally tell the umpire - I've seen codes where the ump corrects this at end of inning) There are a bunch of different ways this can happen on offense, that could lead to different scenarios around people being called out, or just being subbed, but the common factor is the unannounced sub is removed from the game.
  7. beerguy55

    HBP Strike 3 again

    If you'd be willing to give him a strike in the new NCAA rules you should be willing to give him a ball (ie. keep him at the plate) in the current FED rules.
  8. beerguy55

    HBP Strike 3 again

    Maybe I'm wrong but I was suspecting that the new rule, and the new emphasis, was a factor in these calls - and that umpires may be a little more sensitive to it, or at least alert. That is, my suspicion is that last year those two players would have just got their base...they wouldn't have even been given a "ball" call. But maybe I'm overreacting and am seeing just a small sample of the big picture.
  9. beerguy55

    HBP Strike 3 again

    This is the part I don't like. If the batter genuinely just braces for impact it could be misinterpreted as a move into the pitch. Now, in the past where I've seen umpires make this determination (or mistake, if you will) at least the batter is getting a "ball" - sure, they're not getting their base, but at least they're not further penalized. Now, the risk in your risk/reward scenario is involuntarily. It's one thing to intentionally enter a risk/reward scenario - to intentionally risk the strike in hopes of getting the base. It's another thing to be put into that scenario by an involuntary reaction that occurs in about a quarter of a second. Now you're risk/reward lies on what an ump sees, or thinks he sees...not what you actually did, or intended. I understand the purpose of the rule, the reasoning behind it, and am mostly on board with it...my only concern is on the judgment side of the equation - I understand there will be subtleties that an experienced umpire will see that I won't. I'll ask you to understand that as a player who competed at this skill level, I've got a pretty good idea what can and can't be done at the plate. In the end, I want it bigger than what's in this video. Having said that, kudos to the umpire for coming up big, definitive and certain on his call. I think there was one posted here a couple of weeks ago that was more in line with what I'm looking for. Not necessarily blatantly obvious in real time...but certainly easier to defend.
  10. beerguy55

    Pitched Ball in the Dirt

    There is a bit of a myth out there that a pitch that bounces before it hits the batter is not a HBP - it's only a myth, as has been explained by the others.
  11. beerguy55

    Dp/Flex lineup

    Based on DP/Flex terminology and female I'm going with softball (to those who disagree, you know who you are, yes, I know there are female baseball players) Well, if your pitcher is hitting she's not the DP. The DP is the person who is only hitting. The Flex is the person who is only defending. But, you can use the DP as a position, so it would go something like this. Alice - 2 Brittany - 5 Clarice -4 Dorothy - 1 Edna - 3 Francine - 6 Gilda - 7 Harriet - 8 Iris - DP Justine - FLEX - 9 Kelsey - bench Linda - bench Then, you could, for example, put Kelsey in to pitch, in place of your nine hitter, and then Dorothy becomes an Offensive Player Only, so it looks like this: Alice - 2 Brittany - 5 Clarice -4 Dorothy - OPO (softball decided to rename this to Offensive Player Only for reasons only known to them - I think just to show that the original DP has changed) Edna - 3 Francine - 6 Gilda - 7 Harriet - 8 Kelsey - 1 Justine - FLEX - 9 Linda - bench Iris - bench (can re-enter for Kelsey if necessary)
  12. beerguy55

    HBP Strike 3 again

    I''m good with the rule, don't get me wrong. (at least with the auto-strike part of the rule) I just don't like the judgment call in this particular situation. If the kids are now as good as you say at disguising their intent then making this call is nothing more than a coin flip...maybe even a "reputation" call, rather than what you actually witnessed. I didn't see anything in this sequence to determine the kid moved into the pitch. So, if he disguised it that well, then now I'm either guessing, or seeing what I want to see to justify the call. ie. lack of evidence is evidence of guilt. Now, the part I don't know if this kid has a long-standing reputation for getting hit by pitches.
  13. beerguy55

    HBP Strike 3 again

    NFW. I hate this call. I want it to be a lot more obvious. This looks like bracing for impact, not attempting impact. He didn't move his leg into the ball - he's in the midst of a natural weight transfer. It's also difficult for a batter to conceptualize the pitch hitting his back leg, back arm, back shoulder (I had my back collar bone broken by a pitch) in realtime - they're focusing on protecting the part of their body closest to the pitcher. Anything to do with the back half of the body comes as as surprise. In real time at full speed this is not only incredibly difficult to pull off intentionally - moving your back leg to get hit by a curve ball - the vast majority of players will do everything humanly possible to NOT get hit on the knee or thigh.
  14. beerguy55

    Fair or foul ball

    And the runner better hope the ball was foul. (except in softball)
  15. beerguy55

    Multiple appeals

    You could have three, though technically it's only one. Each supersedes the other. There are never more than three outs in an inning - the so called fourth out (and fifth and sixth) simply replace the previous "third" out to create a new third out - the scorebook is adjusted accordingly. Stats? The one scenario I can think of is a check swing strike three where R1 is caught stealing for the third out. If Batter is a really good hitter you might appeal to get the strikeout. And this is indeed allowed. If he's a really weak hitter you'll let it go and have him start the next inning. It's not the '"according to hoyle" advantageous fourth out outlined in the rules, though. But the same principle - replacing one third out with a different third out, but not to save a run. As far as the "traditional" advantageous out involving missed bases or leaving early - outside of some kind of statistic reason (eg. get the third out on a runner going from first to third - then appeal to first that batter missed first base to turn his hit into an out) I can't think of why one would want to - but whether or not it's allowed would be an interesting discussion.