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  1. End of game situation

    The play that Mr. noumpere referred to—and I think the one Mr. maven mentioned earlier--is from the NFHS website (2008): “SITUATION 4: With the bases loaded and two outs and a 3-2 count, the runners are off with the pitch. The pitch is ball four, but the runner from first slides into second and his momentum carries him over and past the base. The catcher makes a quick throw to second base and the tag is applied for the third out before the runner from third trots home and touches the plate. Does the run count? RULING: Yes, the run does count. Each runner may, without liability to be put out, advance one base when he is forced to vacate his position on the bases due to the batter being awarded a base-on-balls. The runners advance past the bases to which they are entitled at their own risk. All runners are awarded one base, and as long as all the bases are touched appropriately, the run would count. (8-1-2a, 8-1-1c, Awards Table)” This play then was incorporated into the FED case book as 9.1.1 C (at least it was in 2015 and 2016—don’t know about 2017). But it is not there in the 2018 case book. Using the logic put forth regarding the deletion of former play 9.1.1 M, are we to assume the same thing for Mr. nompere’s play? Does the run still count?
  2. From the taso.org website: Rule 8-2-7 – The verbiage “A player who is awarded first base on a base on ball does not have this right” has been deleted from the rule. The rule now reads: “A batter-runner who reaches first base safely and then overruns or overslides may immediately return without liability of being put out provided he does not attempt or feint an advance to second.” Impact to umpires: Little to none. Now any runner reaching first, even on ball four or an intentional walk, may overrun or overslide without risk of being put out provided he simply moves to return to first with no attempt or feint of an advance to second. And here are the two new 2018 FED case book plays to go along with the rule change: 8.2.7 SITUATION A: The leadoff hitter has a 3-2 count. There is a check-swing situation and the umpire calls ball four. The base umpire upholds the plate umpire’s decision and B1 overruns first base. In (a), the defense tags the batter/runner returning to first base. In (b), the defense tags the batter/runner after the batter/runner attempts to go to second base before returning to first base. RULING: In (a), the batter/runner is safe. In (b), the batter/runner is out. 8.2.7 SITUATION B: The leadoff hitter has a 3-2 count. There is a check-swing situation and the umpire calls ball four. The base umpire reverses the call on appeal and calls strike three. B1 overruns first base. In (a), the defense tags the batter/runner returning to first base. In (b), the defense tags the batter/runner after the batter/runner attempts to go to second base before returning to first base. RULING: In (a), the batter/runner is safe. In (b), the batter/runner is out.
  3. End of game situation

    From the 2016 BRD (section 461, p. 307): Play 286-461: Bases loaded, 2 outs. B1 homers and passes R1 in the base path. At the time he passes the runner, only R3 has crossed the plate. The ball is dead on the home run. The umpire calls out BR immediately. Ruling: In FED, all runners score. In NCAA/OBR, only R3 scores. FED note 437: The rationale: The ball is dead and all runners are awarded four bases. BR passes the runner AFTER touching first, so his third out is not a force out: Count all the runs…
  4. End of game situation

    Unless NFHS rules and interpretations changed in 2017 or 2018, the play in the OP is not a time play. Since the batter hit an out-of-the-park home run, under FED rules the batter and runner(s) are awarded four bases. The batter-runner is out the moment he passes the runner but the runner is still allowed to score due to the dead-ball award (even if the BR is the third out). I do not have the 2017 or 2018 rule books or case books. However, I did check the yearly interpretations and rule changes found currently on page seven of the High School forum on this site and did not see any pertinent changes needed to answer this question. By the way, this scenario is a time play in both NCAA and OBR.
  5. Double steal

    From the 2016 BRD (section 344, p. 227): Play 205-344: R1, R3, 1 out. The pitcher picks off R3 and, while the rundown continues, R1 advances all the way to third. R1 is standing on third when R3 reaches up and deflects the ball away from any fielder. Ruling: R3 is out. In FED, R1 keeps third. In NCAA/OBR, R1 returns to second. (Adapted from NCAA national test, 2012) 2010 NFHS Baseball Rules Interpretation SITUATION 13: R3 is on third and R2 is on second with no outs. Both runners attempt a double steal. As R3 gets into a rundown between home and third, R2 advances and stays on third base. With R2 on third base, R3 commits interference during the rundown. RULING: The ball is dead immediately. R3 is declared out for the interference. R2 will be kept at third base since he had legally reached third at the time of the interference. (8-2-9, 8-2-8)
  6. Base Hit?

    To our guest Nick, it is not a base hit as you describe the scenario and it is not a fielder’s choice—the batter receives credit for a sacrifice by rule: 9.08 Sacrifices The official scorer shall: (b) Score a sacrifice bunt when, before two are out, the fielders handle a bunted ball without error in an unsuccessful attempt to put out a preceding runner advancing one base, unless, an attempt to turn a bunt into a putout of a preceding runner fails, and in the judgment of the official scorer ordinary effort would not have put out the batter at first base, in which case the batter shall be credited with a one-base hit and not a sacrifice; And here’s why it should be scored that way as Andres Wirkmaa explains in his book, Baseball Scorekeeping: “Scoring a fielder’s choice will adversely affect the batter’s batting statistics because reaching base on a fielder’s choice is tantamount to having a plate appearance end with the batter being put out. Therefore, charging a batter who fulfilled all the basic criteria for being awarded a sacrifice bunt with having reached base by virtue of a fielder’s choice, just because the defensive team chose to try to put out a runner on base (unsuccessfully and without the commission of an error) would be grossly unfair to the batter…Therefore, the mere fact that a play is not made on a batter does not automatically disqualify the batter from being credited with a sacrifice bunt.”
  7. Bunt Ruling

    Your guess is correct—it is illegal. A fielder cannot interfere with the course of a batted ball by official interpretation. Here’s how it appears in the 2015 Major League Baseball Umpire Manual (paragraph 64, p. 80): "When a batted ball is rolling fair down the foul line between home plate and either first or third base and a fielder stoops down over the ball and blows on it or in any other manner does some act that in the judgment of the umpire causes the ball to roll onto foul territory, the umpire shall rule a fair ball. The ball is alive and in play." And, Joe S, you’re also right about this being a rare occurrence. I know of only three instances and the interesting thing about them is that all involved the Kansas City Royals. The most famous instance, of course, is when Lenny Randle actually succeeded in blowing the ball foul in a game between the Mariners and Royals in 1981. In 1987, Kevin Seitzer of the Royals tried it in a game against the Twins. Finally, in a spring training game in 2012 between the Dodgers and Royals Jerry Hairston tried it.
  8. Mound visit with player from bench

    Mr. Jimurray, the cite you referenced from the 2012 edition of the BRD was replaced by this one in the 2016 BRD (section 151, p. 115): Official Interpretation: On visits to the mound, only one manager or coach may be in attendance. While other members of the defensive team are allowed to confer on the mound during the visit, they must vacate the mound when the visit concludes. Once the visit ends, no further discussion with any defensive players may continue. (Wendelstedt, email to Childress, 7/13/12) And here’s an official interpretation for the NCAA about the use of translators (2016 BRD, section 154, p. 116): A sign language interpreter may accompany the coach to the mound for a conference. However, a player who cannot speak English will not be cause enough for the umpire to allow an interpreter to accompany the coach to the mound. If the player is a full-time student at one of our colleges or universities, he should be able to converse in the English language. (Paronto, Arbiter Hub Mar 2015 #1)
  9. Mound visit with player from bench

    Major League Baseball adopted a regulation in 2013 that allows a translator to accompany a manager or coach to the mound. Here’s what the MLBUM (2015 edition, p. 42) says about the regulation: “Standards and On-Field Operations Regulation 2-2 (Occupying the Bench) provides that a full-time interpreter is permitted to enter the playing field during a game to translate for a coach or manager on an official visit to the pitcher as well as for the evaluation of an injury of a player. Interpreters are not permitted onto the playing field under any other circumstances, including when a catcher and/or infielder(s) visit the mound without a coach or manager.” Heaven help you if you disagree with this regulation--just ask Red Sox color analyst Jerry Remy who just this past season (in June, I think) voiced his opposition to interpreters being allowed on the field during a game against the Yankees and caught hell for it.
  10. When was catcher's box shape changed?

    I believe it was 1955 when Major League Baseball instituted the 43-inch catcher’s box. Prior to that, the catcher’s area was triangular with the foul lines extended forming two sides of the area and the third side of the triangle formed by joining those two extended chalked lines. You can actually see the change by checking You Tube videos of the 1950-1954 World Series games compared to chalked fields from the 1955 (and forward) World Series. As for why the change was made, here’s what the Wendelstedt Rules and Interpretations Manual (2013 edition, p. 106) says: “This rule was put into place in order to still allow runners a chance to steal during an intentional walk. Until its inception, some catchers would move clear up the first or third base lines to take pitches. This additional distance would not only prevent runners from being able to get a jump, but would also guarantee that no batter would be able to reach out and take a pitch the other way.”
  11. Live or Dead Ball???

    The OP asked for the ruling in all codes and so far just Fed and OBR have been discussed. NCAA is essentially the same as OBR on follow-through interference. The relevant rule is 6-2d-- NCAA rule 6-2 Immediate Dead Ball—Runners Return SECTION 2. The ball becomes dead and base runners return when: d. If a batter swings and misses a pitch and the backswing is so forceful that it hits the catcher as the pitch is caught, or if the batter hits the ball again, the pitch shall be called a strike, the ball is dead (no interference) and no runner shall advance on the play; 1) If the follow-through hits the catcher and occurs in a situation where the batter normally would become a runner because of a third strike not held by the catcher, the ball shall be dead and the batter declared out. No runner shall advance. 2) If the catcher is in the act of making a throw to retire a runner and the batter is in the batter’s box and his normal follow-through unintentionally strikes the catcher or the ball while the catcher is in the act of throwing, “Time” is called and runners return (unless the catcher’s initial throw retires the runner).
  12. Batter's Box

    In addition to the website I mentioned earlier, there is a book by Eric Miklich titled The Rules of the Game and here is more of what can be found in the book and the website to answer other points raised in this thread: "From 1845 through 1867 Home Base was circular, made of iron, painted or enameled white and 12 inches in diameter. "From 1845 through 1876, a batted ball was determined fair or foul depending on where the ball first made contact with the ground. If a batted ball hit first in fair territory, the ball was fair even if it immediately moved to foul territory. If a batted ball first hit in foul territory, the umpire was required to declare a foul ball. "In 1877, a batted ball was required to remain in fair territory until passing either first or third base, in which case the ball was allowed to move into foul territory and still be considered fair. "From 1845 through 1874, if a batted ball struck Home Base, the umpire was tasked to decide if the ball hit the part of Home Base that was in fair territory or the part that was in foul territory. If the ball hit the portion of Home Base in foul territory he was required to announce loudly that the ball was foul. In 1875 and 1876, Home Base was moved entirely in to foul ground, making the umpire’s decision an easy one. Home Base was moved entirely into fair ground for the 1877 season."
  13. Batter's Box

    Yes, it would be nice to have a copy of the Jim Evans Annotated but it isn’t necessary to research the evolution of baseball rules. One can simply search the term vintage baseball rules or the term 19th century baseball and find several interesting sites. One of the best ones is found at 19cbaseball.com and here is what it says about the history of chalked foul lines and the batter’s box: “Beginning in 1861, the rules required that Foul Ball Lines be marked on the playing field. They each began from the center of Home Base and ended at the 90' mark at first and third base. This aided umpires in determining fair or foul batted balls striking the ground near Home Base. “The ‘Batter's Box’ was first instituted in 1874. It was six feet long and centered to the middle of Home Base. It was one foot from Home Base and three feet wide over all and required to be marked with chalk. The batter was required to be within the lines of his position during the act of striking and if contact was made and the batsman was outside the lines of the box, a foul strike and out was called and the ball was considered dead. Three foul strikes during a Batsman's time at bat put him out.”
  14. Obstruction Q

    This explanation found in the 2010 Jaksa/Roder rules interpretation manual (p. 26) might be helpful: “Only batted or pitched balls that are airborne can be caught. By definition, batted and pitched balls that are not airborne—and any thrown ball—cannot be caught, but can be gloved. A ball is gloved when a fielder gains possession of the ball in his hand or glove, other than in a catch.”
  15. Would this be legal for a pitcher?

    From the NFHS 2015 Baseball Rules Book (p. 11): Fed Rule 1-3-6 …The glove/mitt worn by the pitcher that includes the colors white and/or gray shall be removed from the game upon discovery by either team and/or umpire… For interpretation of this rule please see case book plays 1.3.6 A, D, E, and F. 2017-18 NCAA rule 1-13-d. The pitcher’s glove may not be white or gray, exclusive of piping nor, in the judgment of the umpire, be distracting in any way. PENALTY for d.— A violator shall be given reasonable time to correct the situation. If it is not done, the violator shall be ejected from the game. 2017 OBR rule 3.07 (1.15) Pitcher’s Glove (a) The pitcher’s glove may not, exclusive of piping, be white, gray, nor, in the judgment of an umpire, distracting in any manner. No fielder, regardless of position, may use a fielding glove that falls within a PANTONE® color set lighter than the current 14-series. (b) No pitcher shall attach to his glove any foreign material of a color different from the glove. (c) The umpire-in-chief shall cause a glove that violates Rules 3.07(a) or (b) (Rules 1.15(a) or 1.15(b)) to be removed from the game, either on his own initiative, at the recommendation of another umpire or upon complaint of the opposing manager that the umpire-in-chief agrees has merit.
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