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  1. A couple of questions—first for the OP, Jack Ford. When you say the batter’s swing hit the back of the catcher’s mitt, was the bat going forward when it contacted the mitt or did it hit the mitt during the follow-through (after the attempt to hit the pitch)? And for Mr. grayhawk, is it still the catcher’s responsibility to avoid contact when it was the batter who was not in a legal batting position in the batter’s box? That is, it was the batter who moved and not the catcher and thus it was the batter’s fault there was contact. Do you still award him first base?
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    What's the call?

    And here’s the pro rule that covers the scenario in the original post-- 2019 OBR Rule 5.09(b)(1) and (2) Comment: Any runner after reaching first base who leaves the base path heading for his dugout or his position believing that there is no further play, may be declared out if the umpire judges the act of the runner to be considered abandoning his efforts to run the bases. Even though an out is called, the ball remains in play in regard to any other runner. This rule also covers the following and similar plays: Less than two out, score tied last of ninth inning, runner on first, batter hits a ball out of park for winning run, the runner on first passes second and thinking the home run automatically wins the game, cuts across diamond toward his bench as batter-runner circles bases. In this case, the base runner would be called out “for abandoning his effort to touch the next base” and batter-runner permitted to continue around bases to make his home run valid. If there are two out, home run would not count. See Rule 5.09(d). This is not an appeal play. PLAY—Runner believing he is called out on a tag at first or third base starts for the dugout and progresses a reasonable distance still indicating by his actions that he is out, shall be declared out for abandoning the bases.
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    What's the call?

    Since the OP gave us a clue with his screen name including “12U,” I doubt that it was a game played under NCAA rules. So, let’s start with the high school rule (8-2-6d-2)-- 2018 NFHS rule 8-2 ART. 6 . . . Appeal procedures and guidelines d. May Not Return. A runner may not return to touch a missed base or one left too soon on a caught fly ball if: 2. he has left the field of play, or 2019 NFHS Case Book Play 8.2.2 Situation M: With R2, B2 hits a grounder to left field. R2 touches third base but misses the plate in attempting to score. F7 having thrown home, F2 steps on the missed base to retire R2 and throws to F6 in an attempt to put out B2: (a) before R2 attempts to return home; or (b) after R2 attempts to return to touch home plate. RULING: (a) Upon proper defensive appeal, R2 would be ruled out. (b) Since R2 initiated action prior to the defense touching the plate, R2 must be tagged to record the out. R2 may legally return to touch home if he has not touched the steps of the dugout and if a subsequent runner has not yet scored. 2018 NFHS rule 8-4 ART. 2 . . . Any runner is out when he: p. after at least touching first base, leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base; or NOTE: Any runner, after reaching first base, who leaves the baseline heading for the dugout or his defensive position believing that there is no further play, shall be declared out if the umpire judges the act of the runner to be considered abandoning his efforts to run the bases.
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    The following interpretation can be found in the 2016 BRD (section 362, p. 242): FED Official Interpretation: Hopkins: If BR misses first but beats the throw, he is “considered safe” and the umpire should so signal. If the defense appeals, the umpire will reverse his call. 2015 NFHS Baseball Rules Interpretations SITUATION 20: The batter hits the ball to the shortstop who bobbles the ball and throws late to first base. The batter-runner beats the throw but does not touch first base. RULING: The runner beats the ball on the play and is considered to be safe. The defense must appeal the missed base or tag the batter-runner before he returns to first in order to have the out declared for the missed base. (8-2-1 Penalty)
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    From the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 5.15, p. 46): Play 1: Batter-runner hits a ground ball and beats the play at first base but misses the bag as he passes it with both feet. Ruling 1: The proper mechanic is for the umpire to make no call on the play because the batter-runner has not yet touched first base. If the defense appeals by tagging the runner (or base) and appealing that the runner missed first base before the runner returns to first base, the batter-runner would be declared out. A runner does not acquire the right to an unoccupied base on an attempt to retire the runner until he touches it before he is put out. This is true regardless of whether the umpire’s act of not making a call signifies to the defensive team that the runner failed to touch the base for purposes of an appeal play. The text is underlined in the book signifying a change for the 2018 season in Minor League Baseball. It further explained that the interpretation was added to clarify that on plays where the batter-runner overruns and misses first base and has both feet beyond the base before a play is made there, the umpire should make no “Safe” call (i.e., make no call on the play).
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    Balk or no balk?

    In games played under high school rules the pitcher would be warned upon violation of the rule and a second violation would warrant an ejection. 2018 NFHS rule 6 SECTION 2 INFRACTIONS BY PITCHER ART. 2 . . . Delay of the game includes: a. throwing to any player other than the catcher, when the batter is in the batter’s box, unless it is an attempt to retire a runner; PENALTY: The pitcher shall be ejected from the game after a warning. In games played under pro rules, the penalty would be the same as FED except there would be an additional penalty of a balk in extreme cases. 2019 OBR rule 6.02(c) The pitcher shall not: (8) Intentionally delay the game by throwing the ball to players other than the catcher, when the batter is in position, except in an attempt to retire a runner. PENALTY: If, after warning by the umpire, such delaying action is repeated, the pitcher shall be removed from the game. Rule 6.02(a)(8) Comment: Rule 6.02(a)(8) shall not apply when a warning is given pursuant to Rule 6.02(c)(8) (which prohibits intentional delay of a game by throwing to fielders not in an attempt to put a runner out). If a pitcher is ejected pursuant to Rule 6.02(c)(8) for continuing to delay the game, the penalty in Rule 6.02(a)(8) shall also apply…
  7. 2019 NFHS Case Book Play 6.2.4 Situation C: With R3 and R1, F1 comes set. He then feints toward third, or he removes one hand from the ball and makes an arm motion toward third base but does not step toward third. He follows with a throw to first base. RULING: This is a balk. F1 must step toward third base when feinting there. F1 may not feint to first base. He must step toward the base and throw. He might, while he is on the plate, step toward occupied third and feint a throw, and then turn to step toward first and throw there with or without disengaging the pitcher’s plate. If F1 steps and feints to first, he must first disengage the pitcher’s plate or he is guilty of a balk.
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    Balk or not

    Mr. Biscuit, both NCAA and FED rules make it abundantly clear that the pitcher must step behind the rubber to legally disengage. Unfortunately, the OBR rule (rule 5.07a-1 Comment C) isn’t quite as definitive about it but it can be construed to be the same as NCAA and the FED. 2018 NFHS rule 6-1-3…In order to change to the wind-up position, he must first step clearly backward off the pitcher’s plate with his pivot foot first. After the pitcher has placed his pivot foot on the ground clearly behind the plate, he then has the right to throw or feint to a base the same as that of any other infielder. 2018 NCAA rule 9-1a-1c...Disengage from the pitching rubber by stepping back off the rubber and placing the pivot foot on the ground behind the rubber before separating the hands or stepping back with the free foot
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    runner interference

    Mr. maven, I don’t think it has anything to do with how or what the runner yells as illustrated in the following case book play. I think it only matters that there was an effect on the defender i.e., the yelling hinders, confuses, or impedes the defender. 2019 NFHS Case Book play 2.21.1 Situation A: With R2, B2 hits a grounder to F6. Just as F6 starts to throw to first base, R2 on his way to third base, yells at F6, which startles F6, causing him to throw the ball over F3’s head into dead-ball territory. RULING: R2 is called out immediately for verbal interference, and if in the judgment of the umpire the interference prevented a possible double play, B2 also would be called out. From the 2016 Baseball Rule Differences by Carl Childress (section 281, p. 183): B1 pops up in foul territory between home and first. The ball drifts slightly foul as the first baseman sets up to make the catch. B1, as he passes the fielder, yells: “Drop it!” The first baseman is clearly startled and drops the ball. Ruling: In FED/NCAA, B1 is out. In OBR, it’s simply a foul ball. Yankees v Blue Jays, 2 outs, Alex Rodriguez on second. B1 pops up between short and third. As A-Rod runs between fielders, he yells at them. The ball falls to the ground. Ruling: In FED/NCAA, A-Rod is out. In OBR, there is no interference.
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    runner interference

    Under OBR, interference may not be a verbal act. But under NCAA and FED rules, interference can include a verbal act. 2018 NFHS rule 2 SECTION 21 INTERFERENCE — OFFENSIVE, UMPIRE, SPECTATOR ART. 1 . . . Offensive interference is an act (physical or verbal) by the team at bat: a. which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play; or… 2018 NCAA rule 2 Interference SECTION 51. The act of an offensive player, umpire or nongame person who interferes with; physically or verbally hinders; confuses; or impedes any fielder attempting to make a play.
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    Batter-Runner Interference on Bunt or Hit Close to Home?

    While it is true that both NCAA and OBR address this question in an actual rule [NCAA rule 7-11f Exception 4; OBR rule 6.01(a)(10) Comment], I don’t think the FED does. At least the 2016 BRD couldn’t find one and neither did Gil Imber of Close Call Sports in his 2018 analysis of a high school tangle/untangle play. So, Mr. Rock Bottom, there is a reason you could not find any rule or case play for NFHS rules—there is nothing to be found. But let not your heart be troubled. There is help—just click on the following links and check out a great video and article by Gil Imber. https://www.closecallsports.com/search?q=tangle%2Funtangle
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    Runner allowed to advance to 3rd??

    Mr. Jimurray gave an incomplete citation for the high school rule—the rule where it actually says what the OP is looking for is 8-3-5 in the very last sentence of subparagraph (b). 2018 NFHS rule 8-3 ART. 5 . . . An award is from the base determined as follows: b….If every runner, including the batter-runner, has advanced one base at the time of the first play, the award is two bases from the time of the throw. For any subsequent play by an infielder or for any throw by an outfielder, the award is two bases from the time of the throw.
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    Pick off move on the way to set

    When attempting a pickoff throw the pitcher does not have to come to a stop. He may make a pickoff throw at any time throughout the process of his stretch to set position. Here is what it says in the rules: 2018 NFHS rule 6-1-2…During these preliminary motions and during the set position until a delivery motion occurs, the pitcher may turn on his pivot foot or lift it in a jump turn to step with the non-pivot foot toward a base while throwing or feinting as outlined in 6-2-4 and 2- 28-5, or he may lift his pivot foot in a step backward off the pitcher’s plate which must be in or partially within the 24-inch length of the pitcher’s plate. 2019 OBR rule 5.07(d) Throwing to the Bases At any time during the pitcher’s preliminary movements and until his natural pitching motion commits him to the pitch, he may throw to any base provided he steps directly toward such base before making the throw. Rule 5.07(d) Comment: The pitcher shall step “ahead of the throw.” A snap throw followed by the step directly toward the base is a balk.
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    Interference or Obstruction?

    The following two citations are for OBR but I am certain they also apply to FED. The 2017 Jaksa/Roder manual says, “If a batter-runner is obstructed before first base, but his batted ball becomes caught or foul, the obstruction is nullified.” The 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual states the same thing (section 6.16, p. 95): When the batter-runner is obstructed before reaching first base, it is not always the case that the batter-runner will be awarded first base on this type of obstruction. For example, if the batter-runner is obstructed before reaching first base on a fly ball or line drive that is caught, the batter-runner is out. The reasoning here is that the obstruction had no bearing on the fact that the batter hit a fly ball that was caught by the defense. Similarly, should the batter-runner be obstructed before reaching first base on a foul ball not caught, the foul ball prevails. Again, the reasoning is that the obstruction had nothing to do with the fact that the batter hit a foul ball.
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    Interference at home

    Here is the FED case play telling us that a batter is entitled to the space he occupies in the box. 2019 NFHS Case Book Play 7.3.5 Situation E: With less than two outs, R2 and B2 at the plate, R2 attempts to steal third. In the process, B2, who bats right-handed, after swinging or not swinging at the pitch, (a) makes no attempt to get out of the way of F2 throwing to third or (b) is unable to make an attempt to get out of the way of F2 throwing to third. As a result, F2 cannot make a play on the runner. Is B2 out, and must R2 return to second? RULING: B2 is not guilty of interference in (a) or (b). B2 is entitled to his position in the batter’s box and is not subject to being penalized for interference unless he moves or re-establishes his position after F2 has received the pitch, which then prevents F2 from attempting to play on a runner. Failing to move so F2 can make a throw is not batter interference.