Just got a pair of Smitty PW base pants from UA and after hemming, they fit and look just fine. Their base pants are true base pants and will not work with shins. They are a different color than say Gerry Davis but close enough. They do have an expanding waist which is good if you want to tuck in a jacket (that's another thread!!) For the price they are fine. Might stick with Gerry Davis for next plate pants after hearing other stories.