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umpire_scott last won the day on July 31 2016

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  1. umpire_scott

    Balk Rule

    Agreed. I didn't think it was a balk.
  2. umpire_scott

    Balk Rule

    I think what made it peculiar looking was the sloppiness and methodical nature of the move. The kid was very slow in going from moving his pivot foot to then stepping towards first. It just looked funky.
  3. umpire_scott

    Balk Rule

    Was doing a 10U select tourney over the weekend. Had a kid do something peculiar on the mound (what a shock). In attempting a pick off to first base he slid his pivot foot slightly forward and slightly towards third base then turned his body and stepped towards first base to throw. As it was 10U we did not balk it. My partner and I talked about it afterwards. I was not sure it was a balk. He indicated it was because his first move was with his pivot foot and it wasn't backwards off the pitching plate. (A) Is this accurate? (B) what rule verbiage supports this? I looked in 2018 OBR handbook and could not find verbiage to support this. I thought it looked clunky and sloppy, but wasn't sure that it was a balk.
  4. umpire_scott

    Overrunning 1st base

    So in my case F3 never contacted BR. The throw came in high and wide and BR kind of ducked to avoid F3 and the ball. In ducking he lost his balance and lunged forward a little and his back foot came off the bag. It was a strange play in that by what I saw he was not planning on running through the base, he was planning on stopping at the base. He had slowed down to do so. But when he noticed F9 throwing to F3 he ducked to get out of the way of the throw and this caused him to come off the back of the base. I guess I was asking if he gets any extra protection being that he is able to overrun first base.
  5. umpire_scott

    Overrunning 1st base

    12U baseball. Ball hit to right field. BR running down the line sees it will be an easy base hit slows up as if to stop at the base. The RF throws to first and the throw pulls F3 off the base and causes BR to lose his balance so he touches the base and then stumbles forward off of it. At what point is he liable to be put out for coming off the base versus legally overrunning it?
  6. umpire_scott

    Who's call is it

    So normally with R2 doesn't PU have the touch at third for example if the play had been at first rather than a tag up the line? I ask because I have run into this before when I was in C and a dribbler was hit down the first base line. I went towards the working area to get a good look at a play at first. Well my PU, partner went up the line as well, and before I noticed and turned around there was a collision rounding third between R2 and F5. Neither of us saw it as we both went towards the play at first. We talked about it later and I pregame now that 1/2 way up the line PU has tag and after that BU has it. Do any of you do anything different to avoid that SH*# sandwich?
  7. umpire_scott

    Momentary adjustments

    So clearly this is a judgement call on whether the umpire would consider it preparatory or not. Even though he was deliberate in his motions and did look in, since he was not taking a sign, and he paused for a long time after switching hands, I considered it preparatory.
  8. umpire_scott

    Momentary adjustments

    FWIW in my situation in the OP, the opposing HC, who was at 3rd base questioned the non-call of the balk. He called time and went to my partner behind the plate. I was not in earshot to hear what was said. My partner then said that the coach could come talk to me if he wanted to. The coach came out and said "you know that is a balk when they switch hands like that". I explained I felt it fell under "momentary adjustment while getting settled". He mumbled something about that being a balk every time in high school. We played on. He made some snide comments about it while warming his pitcher up the next inning, but we moved past it. Then later in the game, because this was now in the pitchers head about not being able to switch hands, he switched hands and then switched back, while engaged with the plate. At this point I balked it. As for it not creating an advantage I think it could a little because the motion of switching hands can be construed by the runner as beginning to come set. He may extend his lead at this point. This could make him vulnerable to get picked off. In addition, if he realizes F1 simply switched hands, he may reduce his lead and throw his timing off for a potential steal. Many umpires I work with have this notion that almost anything a pitcher does prior to becoming set is legal and can't be balked. In fact when I talked to some of my colleagues, the first thing out of many of their mouths was, "well it was before he came set, right". Which in this case was irrelevant.
  9. umpire_scott

    Momentary adjustments

    Thanks for all the input. It was probably a little of "had to be there". I would say the "looking in/taking a sign" could have been judged differently by different umpires. The kid was pretty deliberate in his motion, so it was probably right on the border of what one would consider "getting settled".
  10. umpire_scott

    Momentary adjustments

    The game in question was 11U baseball. He was not taking a sign. The cases stated were FED and this was an OBR game. Do most of you call it differently depending on the rule set?
  11. umpire_scott

    Momentary adjustments

    I had nothing on the first and I balked the second. We have a 9-year MiLB umpire in our association he said "no" on the first. I was not able to ask him yet about the second.
  12. umpire_scott

    Momentary adjustments

    In the second situation he switched hands twice.
  13. umpire_scott

    Momentary adjustments

    How much in the area of "momentary adjustments" are allowed and what constitutes a balk under these circumstances? Scenario 1: F1 comes to pitching plate with ball in his throwing hand in the stretch. He looks in, then takes the ball and places it in his glove, and then resets to an original starting position. Scenario 2: F1 comes to pitching plate with the ball in his throwing hand in the stretch. He looks in then takes the ball an puts it in his glove, then he pauses and puts it back into his pitching hand.
  14. I think to say we have "no jurisdiction" is clearly false. But I also think it is imperative to use that jurisdiction carefully. The higher levels I go the less I react to what fans say. I was doing a 15U tournament game a few months ago. AA level at best. Many fans not knowing rules or appropriate demeanor. Early in the game there were a few bangers on the bases that went against Team A. Coaches were theatrical but not very verbal. Fans were more verbal. All of it was ignored. Then in the late innings of what was a tight game. I rang a kid up on a pitch on the inside corner for Team A. Coach asked where the pitch was, fans complained quite loudly. Answered the coach with "in the strike zone" and ignored the fans. A few pitches later more chirps from the fans, and some unnecessary body language from one of the players. Then another pitch comes in fat of the plate right at the news I call a strike and a fan screams "You've got to be kidding me". I call time and tell the coach that he needed to control his fans because if I hear anymore he will be ejected (this has never failed to work for me. Fans do not want to be responsible for the coach getting ejected). The coach argued that he doesn't have to control his fans and that they can say anything they wanted and I was just to ignore them. I explained that allowing their conduct was starting to effect the conduct of the players and I was not going to allow them to cause the game to get out of control. He adamantly disagreed with me, but it didn't matter as the fans got the message and shut up. The coach came up to me after the game and said "you know you are a really good umpire but you will never umpire at any level higher than this is you don't learn to ignore the fans". I simply said I do umpire at level higher than this. And most often do ignore those fans. But it is my job to promote sportsmanship and control the game. Your fans were impacting the game and the conduct of the players. At higher levels players are not so easily influenced by what their parents and the fans say.
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    I see no difference between "stalling" and purposely making outs. The rules are the rules. If the tournament includes a rule regarding no new inning starting after a certain time then both managers and teams are aware of this. Since I cannot legislate against purposely making outs, I'm also not going to legislate what is or is not stalling. As long as they are within the rules regarding time outs and such then I am not going to interject myself into it. Honestly what I get much more frustrated with is the manager/team that wants to play "hurry-up" when they are on the field. You've been lollygagging around all game with no sense of urgency and now because you are behind and need a new inning you expect the other teams batter to be ready 20 seconds after they got off the field. They are no longer allowed to take signs after pitches. And no offensive time outs are allowed. If the team leading does anything that would not have even raised an eyebrow the entire game it is all of a sudden this egregious offense. My solution. . . don't get behind where the clock becomes a factor to you.