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  1. It would be your judgment if F3 was close enough to make a legitimate play on the runner. Supportable either way, but sounds like nothing.
  2. Never saw anything close to this before. 17U Pastime tournament, not the highest level of ball but not bad, generally players that either are on varsity teams or will be next year. Infield hit to F5, who would have had an easy out but shorthops it. F3 goes down to try to catch it, it bounces over his arm, and he turns to retrieve the ball now heading for the fence. As he turned to pursue, the B/R runs smack dab into him while attempting to go to 2B, an easy OBS call which both I (BU) and my partner have as he was coming up the line (no one on). F9 and F3 are close to the ball as the B/R jogs into 2nd. But, inexplicably, they just stop. The runner kind of dances a bit, unsure, we all kind of look around at each other - and the RF and 1B just stand there. Sensing that, the runner takes off for 3rd as the defensive coaches all yell to the players to pick up the ball. They knew it was a live ball, the catcher knew the whole time it was a live ball and was already yelling. But still they stood there. Now, they're actually arguing - not with us, but with their own coaching staff "But he called obstruction!" "GET IT IN!!" "BUT HE CALLED OBSTRUCTION!". They still hadn't picked up the ball when the runner takes from 3rd. Finally, they throw it in but way too late, to the disgust of the coaches and catcher. They were still bitching about it when they went in for the inning, but the coach set them straight with a few choice words.
  3. It is indeed #1 for Fed. See the 2019 interpretations on their website....it has this EXACT case.
  4. Plenty's been said on the Haywood coach/assclown, but does anyone think something seems fishy in the Eagleville situation? The coach had prior complaints, not over something everyday and petty like playing time, but inappropriate sexual conduct with a student, they get a video that's waving a whole flag store's worth of red flags (from other stories, they got the video on Tuesday, 2 days before this game), and they don't say or do anything until AFTER they lose on Thursday?!? While I'm sure it's possible that the law enforcement investigation magically really did end between the time the game/season was over and the announcement later that day.....can we talk odds here? What if they won that game and advanced? I dunno....just sayin'.
  5. I think there's a good bit of common ground on the on-field part. We've all seen how people get on the ball field, and police officers are simply a subset of the larger culture, they're not some alien species or anything. Tons of good ones, many average ones, some mediocre ones, and a few bad ones. Hell, a few years ago, a colleague of mine got assaulted on the diamond by a parent. Turned out it was a Columbus police lieutenant. Think anything happened to the guy? Of course not. It happens. There's no need to even risk the small (and it may not be as small as some people think) chance that an armed coach wouldn't use that to intimidate, even if only subtly. If there in performance of their duties? Of course they should be armed. But if you're a coach - be a coach. There's no need to be armed on the field as a coach. And that shouldn't be conflated into some anti-cop or anti-gun tangent. Far from it - hell, I've got family as a cop, a 9MM Beretta was my personal weapon in the Army, and I've been an NRA member for over 30 years. Still don't think a cop coach should be armed when coaching. I'd ask, what you trying to accomplish with this public display?
  6. Indeed, I could have been more clear, thanks. There wasn't an obvious error like counting the same runner twice or counting an inning-ending ground out when the batter didn't make it to 1st. I do agree with the criticism that I should have gone thru closer and gone batter by batter - I do regret that. But at that point, it was one scorer arguing with the other scorer and the asst scorer mom getting shrill and...well, I'd had it. I admit it, I had a bit of a "f@## it" moment and figuratively washed my hands of it at that point.
  7. Low-level summer ball, 14U. As is customary in this area and this league, umpires do not keep a lineup or get involved in scoring in any way. Close game, with home team batting in bottom of 7th. I'd heard offhand that visitors were up 1 before the inning, but again, I didn't really pay much attention to it. Visitors get a base runner on 2B and 3B with two outs. There was a wild pitch, with R3 scoring easily. The entire home bench pours out of their dugout in celebration, saying it was a walk-off. By now, R2 is between 3B and home and it's just chaos. Coaches are already arguing with each other near home, the offensive team is on the field, dogs and cats are living together, so I kill it - we're not getting some weird cheap out with that circus going on. It took a bit but finally got both teams and their coaches in their dugouts, calling for both books. Naturally, the home 'book' isn't a book at all, it's that Gamechanger app on a phone. The visiting book is using Gamechanger and a paper book. I ask both sides what they had at the top of the 5th, the earliest I thought we could reasonably Zapruder and reconstruct. After a lot of scrolling and staring at phones, we found that the discrepancy was in the 2nd inning - home book had 4 runs, visitors had 3 runs. Apparently, the two score keepers never talked to each other between innings and coordinated anything. I didn't think there was a chance in hell of reconstructing anything 5 innings later, so I decided to go with home book and declared the game over. This caused a kerfuffle with the visiting scorekeeper, who expressed a certain opinion on the field. I said "That's enough" and very quickly exited. While changing, the scorekeeper approached us quickly and somewhat aggressively, demanding a conversation. I was in no mood for such a conversation at that point and told him to back off, which he pretty much did (or at least halted) and continued to demand an explanation. After a few heated words, it calmed down and I tried to tell him there's no way we could piece it together 5 innings later and that scorekeepers needed to coordinate, but he didn't want to talk to me at this point. My partner pretty much echoed the point, so I let him handle it and the scorekeeper departed. In hindsight, I should have called both coaches together and explained the decision before making a public declaration like that. But was there anything else that could have been done? Should I have tried to go hitter by hitter in the 2nd inning from the books? There was no hint or suggestion of shenanigans, just that home book had 4 and visitors had 3.
  8. There are a couple options here, both of which will get you some type of argument from one side or the other. Strictly speaking, you could call the runner out for abandonment, as she clearly abandoned any attempt to advance. If you don't call abandonment, she has the right to advance without peril of being tagged out - that's the definition of an award. Being out of the baseline doesn't apply here, since that only matters when a play is being attempted on the runner and no play can be attempted during an award like this. I'd probably just go with the lesser of the two bad choices here and direct her to 3rd base, but it's probably more correct to get her for abandonment. Next time she'll certainly pay more attention!
  9. Our local rec league has essentially the same rule as well. But we use youth umpires for 8U, generally 13-15 kids making $20 a game.
  10. Unless for some reason the umpire thought the batter deliberately moved to get hit - and that would be highly unlikely given your description - it would be a hit by pitch and an award of 1B.
  11. They had that chance a couple weeks ago, it's just more stupid Royals BS and Ned Yost redassery. disclaimer - this post may or may not be influenced by factors other than umpire considerations
  12. I did skip a little there, he was slowly walking down and I could tell he was wanting to know. Apparently he was the only person who didn't hear it clearly! I think he was talking to R3 at the time.
  13. Yelling out extreme profanity in direct mocking of a call, loud enough for everyone to hear? Sure seems personal. Even if you don't consider it personal, it's unacceptably arguing balls and strikes in a very public and demonstrative way. If said quietly, maybe - just maybe - that could be a warning, but a minor yelling it out like that? Gotta get that one.
  14. 18U tournament, ok quality of play today. Strike three on the outside corner/outer third, right above the knees. After the punchout, kid turns and yells fairly loudly "No f$#%% way". Immediately toss him with a rather majestic heave, and it was absolutely quiet, eerily so. I knew the coach at 3B would need an explanation, so walk up slowly and just say "The exact quote was 'No f@#%% way". He didn't say a word, nodded, and turned around. Still hadn't heard a peep from his dugout or even the fans till one person in the crowd (on the player's side) said "oh yea, he said it alright". Kinda threw me for a loop how smooth and unquestioned the whole thing went.
  15. scrounge

    3 man

    I would also consider U3 getting held up on the line like this the same as if he went out on the catch/no catch to F7. U1 should be a better teammate and stop bitching.
  16. Nope, no runs can score if the batter doesn't successfully achieve 1st base. It does take an appeal, but since that happened in this case, it's not really different than if a batter was thrown at first with a runner on 3rd - even if the runner on 3rd crosses the plate before the batter is thrown out, it's still no runs.
  17. Those in charge being responsible for the actions of their direct subordinates? CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZY, maaaaaaaan. That never happens, except pretty much in every walk of life. Don't like paying the price for having clowns as assistants? Don't have clowns as assistants.
  18. It's not common, but about 4-5 times in the past 8 yrs I've had to call a sun delay on fields where the setting sun was directly in CF and neither I nor the catcher could see the pitch coming in. Usually lasts no more than 15 minutes. Have never done so or faced the problem on bases. I'd just do your best, watch fielders' reactions to find the ball if necessary, but if truly blinded and there are no other options, going to B isn't the end of the world.
  19. Yep, other than virtually nothing - from chest protectors to pants to shoes - being designed for them and having to often use ill-fitting small men's sizes, they got it made by saving on that $19.99 cup (and as mentioned, usually using the equivalent anyway).
  20. The description is accurate. In fairness to them, they were in complete shock when it happened and everyone pretty much stopped. They did the best they could....and it turned into a learning opportunity for all of us when the question went up to NFHS
  21. I don't think so either. Quite the contrary, I think OBR has it wrong on this one.
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