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    "Old High School" slide rule

    Many recreation and adult leagues like to reference the "Old High School" slide rule. The version I have reads: A slide is illegal if: a. The runner uses a rolling, cross-body or pop-up slide into the fielder, or b. The runners’ raised leg is higher than the fielder’s knee when the fielder is in a standing position, or c. The runner goes beyond the base and makes contact with or alters the play of the fielder, or d. The runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg, or e. The runner tries to injure the fielder, or f. The runner, on a force play, does not slide on the ground and in a direct line between the two bases EXCEPTION: A runner may slide or run into a direction away from the fielder to avoid making contact or altering the play of the fielder. Does anyone have the exact wording from a pre-1995 or 6 High School rule book? Many coaches think it means you can "take out" the fielder if you can reach the base. It don't Thanks!!!
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    First 2 "real" ejections this summer...

    "When a fan ... I believe he has ... the right to heckle the umpire" -- Absolutely wrong! Either HS or HS age, this is a contest that involves teaching sportsmanship and our job is to maintain both the integrity of the game and insure that the spirit of the game be adhered to. A heckiling fan transmits that attitude to the players (It's not my fault I looked at 3rd strike, the umpire screwed me). Until you are doing a professional game, let's remember: This is RECREATIONAL baseball. If a fan is wound too tight or thinks the game is all about his abusive opinions then that team's management needs to get him to the parking lot to unwind.
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    "Old High School" slide / force play rule

    Thanks, Maven. It's more that several of us are wondering exactly how the rule did read -- kinda for historical/hysterical purposes. Found the mid 90's rule. What's interesting is that most leagues refer to the "old HS rule" and we've mentioned it to them but they seem reluctant to go through the process of changing the verbiage. Here's two quotes from local Koufax and Mantle rules. "We play pro-book rules, old high school slide and/or avoid safety rules" "4. The league will play "slide and avoid" safety rules for all league and post season play. The Old HS rule, arms length." So, the reference is there. Don't have much problem -- we still officiate. Just would like to know if anyone has the exact rule.
  4. At plate meetings, in "Summer" or league ball, the "old High School" rule is often referenced as the safety and force play parameters under which we will be playing. Problem is, no one really knows what it says. Coaches usually say "old High School slide rule". That doesn't cover it, so most of us say "the safety rule is slide or avoid, no malicious contact and add within arm's length to that for a force play". That's essentially it. In 1990's or so, HS added no contact beyond the bag (and, of course, now it's even more restrictive), but leagues play that there can be contact -- if slide or avoid is adhered to -- and fielder is protected by arm's length. It was essentially OBR with "no malicious" added. Do any of you old timers happen to have a 60's or so copy of the HS rule book -- or the real verbiage of the old rule? We're trying to eliminate the reference at plate meetings but it's like trying to convince a coach that his guy shouldn't be on 2nd base because the ball that plonked him was also ball four. Thanks!
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    unequal CP

    Slo8140, Please report back with experience -- even thought I hope you don't get nailed. I bought one and had fellow umpires throw a baseball at me from 6 feet away (so they wouldn't miss). The CP did not seem to alter the impact force sufficiently. In one place, where the impact was on my sternum, I could still feel it several days later, like a light bruise. I did the same to several partners while they were wearing it. These throws were, realistically, about 45-50mph (maybe). One of the guys who tried it on is a 30 year old ex-college player who's fairly fit & tough. His take: "Ouch, don't do that again". Sent it back. I admire these guys for trying to come up with a better product for umpires. Maybe it'll work for others. My take: Good idea, wrong material. A baseball is not a bullet.
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