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  1. Jimurray

    Bunt to Chop Swing

    It's not allowed in TEE Ball. It is allowed otherwise unless local fools have made up some additional rules. "Baseball: A BUNT is a batted ball not swung at, but intentionally met with the bat and tapped slowly. The mere holding of the bat in the strike zone is not an attempted bunt. (Tee Ball: Bunts are not permitted. Batters are not permitted to take a half-swing. If the umpire feels the batter is taking a half-swing, the batter may be called back to swing again.)"
  2. Saw a Facebook post about umpires allowing this in a less than D1 college game. It seems pretty common in JUCO. But imagine my surprise to see this tonite with FS Clemson.
  3. Jimurray

    Chairs and buckets ok. But no beer coolers or bbq.

    It appears this rule change will allow the area for shaggers but not the rest. Time for a little construction at the Clemson stadium. Make it part of the real dugout. "1.16b To prohibit uniformed team personnel, coaches and extra on-deck hitters from standing or sitting in the dugout extension area or dead-ball area on the home plate side of the dugout during play. Rationale To enhance the safety of bat/ball persons who are supposed to be in this area by restricting coaches and team personnel from entering these areas to observe the game."
  4. Perhaps @Double Up is referring to the change of wording in the MLBUM which happened around 2013: The MLBUM used to say ignore F3 playing in foul territory while holding a runner on unless someone complained and then enforce the rule equally. I noticed the change in 2013 to: "There is no penalty specified for violation other than the first baseman shall be instructed to keep both feet in fair territory if brought to the attention of the umpire, or-if blatant or recurring violation-upon immediate direction of the umpire."
  5. So while the Wendelstedt school currently teaches to nullify the play when it is discovered that a fielder, other than F3, was in foul territory before a play, we don’t know what the Umpire School teaches and you what might or might not infer from the PBUC interp. But the OP asked if the rule was still enforced and we don’t have an answer for him. Luckily it should not be real world problem.
  6. While that is what the rule says the interps seem to require it any time the ball is ready for play (pitcher ready to pitch). Why would the MLBUM specifically allow a fielder to go into foul territory, being first required to be in fair to make the ball live, to back up an appeal only? Any other attempt to gain an advantage by going foul is either a nullification of the play or a judgement of advantage gained or a do not do that depending on the latest word of authority.
  7. It would seem that PBUC/MLBUM only give that leeway to the first baseman. Do you have a cite that extends that to any fielder?
  8. Both pubs do not address the issue. We, with the help of @Senor Azul cites discussed it here: As of 2016 it appears the BRD no longer thinks there is any conflict and only cites Wendelstedt. And Rich Marazzi seems to have MLB connections.
  9. So in my OP my pondering abandonment should remain as such. But what does J/R men by "(or near)" and what would that change? Also in the Lugnut game was that a live ball force out or an appeal out?
  10. In 2 man I would be in C and about to rule on the play at 2B. When the ball went thru I would be there pondering an abandonment call when I notice the fielder coming in to give me the ball. While we don't want to telegraph an appeal there is still stuff to watch on this play.
  11. In my made up OP I envisioned R1 just turning in to the infield prior to 2B.
  12. All three codes recognize accidental force outs. But is this a live ball putout sit or an appeal sit.
  13. Jimurray

    2019 Rulebook is now on Arbiter

    But I have a little semantic problem with this POE and it's not the baserunner spelling: "BASERUNNERS' RESPONSIBILITIES The baserunner is arguably one of the most important roles in baseball. Without him/her there can be no scoring. However, the baserunner has tremendous responsibilities. Beside Definitions, Baserunning is the second largest rule in the NFHS Rule book. The Baseball Rules Committee wants to emphasize that the advancing baserunner has to touch the bases in the correct order (including awarded bases), he/she should not miss any base or leave a base too early, but if that occurs, he/she must return to touch the base immediately. In addition, the committee wants to point out that if the baserunner runs more than three feet away from a direct line between bases to avoid a tag or to hinder the defensive player he/she will be declared out. They must slide in a direct line between the bases. When he/she elects to slide (by rule he/she does not have to slide) it must be legal. The baserunner cannot cause illegal contact and/or illegally alter the actions of the defensive player in the immediate act of making a play or on a force play. Jumping, hurdling and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid the fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal. Attention to the intricacies of base running will enhance better rule knowledge and compliance, elevate fair play and promote risk minimization."
  14. Just to be clear the rule does not require the ball to be in either the hand or the glove. It just requires possession: "6.02(a)(9) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitcher’s plate....". But I have no problem with you concluding a lack of possession. I do wonder where you get this sentence, "If the ball is in their hand, it must be at their side or behind them." The OBR rule does not specify which hand should be at his side and which hand has to have the ball. Does Wendelstedt expound on this?
  15. I would lean toward, time, don’t do that, step off and start again.
  16. So if you have him coming set it would then be a violation of "6.02(a) (10) The pitcher, after coming to a legal pitching position, removes one hand from the ball other than in an actual pitch, or in throwing to a base;"
  17. That's a "do not do that" edited to add, unless you are referring to the second clause.
  18. What OBR rule would you cite?
  19. It's interesting that the BRD uses this phrase, " BR is out. Because the defense played on another runner before BR interfered, runners return TOI", when OBR does not actually address a play on another runner except the intervening play at home plate. NCAA actually does address any intervening play. It would be rare to have to apply the rule with a play other than at home plate so my concern will remain semantic.
  20. Jimurray

    2019 Changes

    So it's lucky this guy, who was given a pass by big dogs from the current rule at this years CWS, not that I don"t agree with the pass, is lucky to have graduated and now has a contract so squaring him up won't be necessary. But is anyone talking about how EFD UPD the 2019 rule is? We have a bunch (not all) of HS umps squinting at the pitchers free foot in the windup to the detriment of what they should be looking at. The NCAA rule committee decided to go one better and make them squint at the foot and chest. Again, I would ask anyone to post a video of a college pitcher who you did not know was gonna windup or stretch. But let's go to the most extreme example and the impetus for last years MLB/OBR rule change requiring a "declaration", David Price. Since he's fresh in all of our minds, (a feel good moment that he got the chip off his shoulder), anyone watching this WS not know whether he was going to wind up or stretch. You do, however, have to pay attention. Buts that's what umpires are supposed to do.
  21. Jimurray

    2019 Changes

    How many hybrid pitchers have you had to square up in scrimmages and were the pitching coaches good with the change?
  22. Jimurray

    Game 4 - RLI No Call

    There is a "last step, stride or slide" interp that allows a runner who has run legally to go fair to touch the base. That wouldn't apply in this case. But I think the PU judged the runner had touched the base when the ball got there. Technically, a runner would not have to exit the lane to touch 1B. The foul line is considered part of the lane, making the lane a little more than 3' wide and giving a 3 or 4 inch part of 1B free to touch without exiting the lane. But if you've paid attention during the series every runner who dropped or dribbled a ball close to HP has run illegally out of the lane. In all but this case the defense made the play, maybe because the location of the ball allowed a throwing lane without adjustment. But, I again advocate eliminating the lane rule. There is a history of proper and improper or debatable calls and no calls. It seems the pros are taking the odds the the defense won't be hindered or the ump won't call it and telling runners to go direct to 1B from their initial position.
  23. I don't think Benintendi's late swing hindered the catcher so I don't have a problem with nothing. BUT The screen shot shows he had his bat on his shoulder until the ball was in the glove. He swung over the ball and the glove. If he had swung and contacted the glove do we have CI or BI?https://www.mlb.com/video/betts-swipes-second-in-1st/c-2517487883?tid=63106348
  24. Jimurray

    Interesting Play

    That is the gist of my 2017 MLBUM Interp #32. Wording is slightly different.
  25. Jimurray

    Interesting Play

    FED does actually call this a force in one of their case plays so you might allow a tag of 1B in that case. But, if the umpire did not call the batter runner out, would you, as the umpire then call him out when and if tagged returning to 1B, absentclearly relaxed action and @maven 's or your time call. Or for purposes of making this a realistic play, what if there were other runners and you now had a pickle between 1B and HP? The OP is a benign exploration of the rules but lets extend it to with runners on. I'm calling the batter-runner out when the base is tagged,