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Everything posted by Jimurray


    Are you asking for your understanding of the MLB rule or for an understanding of how you would apply the OBR rule in a non professional league. LL has adopted their own rule. PONY and USSSA address it in their supplement and retain removing the pitcher on the second trip in an inning but do not limit that second trip if it is with the same batter. Other non professional leagues using OBR would have to address it but might not have realized it.

    I think the limit of 6 only applies to MLB. Other leagues using OBR don't have to adopt that limit.
  3. Legal windup?

    With no runners there is no start stop illegal pitch in OBR but if the pitcher was violating something it should be corrected. Need video of @Tksjewelry re enacting the motion
  4. Legal windup?

    The free foot motion might be preliminary to his actual start of the windup. OBR pitchers can start in what looks like a set and windup. A completely sideways pitcher would have to declare with runners. What did he violate in the windup rule?
  5. OSU vs. S. Car 6/1/18

    So the head duck is a direction away from the fielder?
  6. OSU vs. S. Car 6/1/18

    After watching, R1 did not comply with this part of the FPSR: "a. On any force play, the runner must slide on the ground before the base and in a direct line between the two bases. It is permissible for the slider’s momentum to carry him through the base in the baseline extended (see diagram)." I thought NCAA required a slide or peel off but the penalty is only for violating 1 thru 5. BUT, does coming in without sliding violate #5 below? "c. Actions by a runner are illegal and interference shall be called if: 1) The runner slides or runs out of the base line in the direction of the fielder and alters the play of a fielder (with or without contact); 2) The runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide and either makes contact with or alters the play of a fielder; 3) The runner’s raised leg makes contact higher than the fielder’s knee when in a standing position; 4) The runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or 5) The runner illegally slides toward or contacts the fielder even if the fielder makes no attempt to throw to complete a play." The fielder was in a non protected area on top of the base and if the runner had slid and popped up on the base it would not be a violation. And here is some video from the Samford FSU game. It seems teams push the limits of the FPSR even when it's supposed to be addressed at the plate conference: no_alter.MOV
  7. OSU vs. S. Car 6/1/18

    Haven't seen that yet but if a runner violated the NCAA FPSR but does not alter the play because the fielder knew enough to get out of the way, knowing that it is rarely called in his games, should the violation be called as the fielder altered his play before the runner could effect him. I did see this on Samford FSU tonite: I'm sure you can see the video live on some venue. It was later in the game. They got the DP so no harm no foul.
  8. Not bad for the 9U opposing coach. Who did get technical.
  9. Did they continous action appeal the the failure to tag at 1B or did R1 get back in time and then the miss of 2B was appealed?
  10. Babe Ruth FPSR question

    Wouldn't the OBR rules now be sufficient?
  11. PONY trip rule

    With the 2018 rule change it appears leagues can set their own trip rules other than the MLB limitation of six. Has PONY adopted anything different than previous years OBR trip rules?
  12. PONY trip rule

    Do they consider themselves also bound by no second visit while the same batter is at bat?
  13. MLB/High School Rule

    If the catcher throws over F3 because the umpire judges he was trying to throw over the offending runner the umpire should call RLI in FED: "2004 SITUATION 20: As B1 bunts, F2 fields the ball in front of home plate in fair ground. B1 is running in fair ground as he nears first base. F2 realizes he does not have a line of sight to F3 and tries to lob the ball over B1. F3 leaps but cannot catch the ball. RULING: B1 is out for interference. Although F2 made an errant throw, B1 is guilty of interference by being out of the 3-foot running lane. (8-4-1g)" Otherwise, don't MSU. You need a throw.
  14. PONY trip rule

    Niether org adresses the OBR trip rule.
  15. Umpire wrong signal on ambiguous call

    How was the mistake realized as both offense and defense were reacting to the out call? But, yes if an umpire's decision is reversed there is a remedy. That is if you had an umpires. 8U you might just have had guys trying to do their best.
  16. Transfer/drop

    It is treated differently and they reference a separate rule. But the title of the interp lumps it with abandonment, just a different type, covered by a different rule. The interp goes on to discuss the other type of abandonment also.
  17. Transfer/drop

    The rule is but PBUC/MLBUM seem to lump it together with abandonment: "10. ABANDONING BASE PATH (INCLUDING AFTER THIRD STRIKE NOT CAUGHT) Under the Comment to Official Baseball Rule 5.05(a)(2)... a batter who strikes out on a third strike not caught is treated differently than the plays related to abandoning the base paths found in the Comments to Official Baseball Rule 5.09(b)....."
  18. Transfer/drop

    Even though the MLBUM maintains the force on other runners when a previous runner abandons, they still have a forced runner called out for abandonment prior to his base as a time play and then subject to an advantageous fourth out appeal. So does the wording "EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out;" have something different in it that allows us to score the run on an abandonment call on forced runner and not score the run when the BR is somehow declared out for entering the dugout.
  19. Passed ball caught by umpire

    The wipe away was actually a "no trip" signal. The pitch was a ball.
  20. Transfer/drop

    I don't know if MLB wants this 2017 interp, added to the MLBUM, to apply to the batter prior to 1B. But the defense could have played on R1 at 2B or R2 at 3B for sure before the batter was declared out for "abandersertion" and I'm not sure about after the batter was called out. But while the batter was making his way to the dugout what was the defense doing? "MLBUM Interp #31: A base runner being called out for abandoning his effort to touch the next base does not change a force play to a tag or time play on any other runners."
  21. Changing Bat mid at bat.

    Didn’t an MLB ump not allow it? Was it an interp or application of delay of game rules.
  22. Batter Time Out, Pitcher Set

    Nothing in either rule book requires you to do that but if you do they are telling you you you killed it and you must make it live. Just don’t kill it when it is already dead or you have a seasoned pitcher on the mound. In other cases, go ahead and put your hand up, which will be ignored by many pitchers at certain levels.
  23. Batter Time Out, Pitcher Set

    Allow the pitcher to stay set. Deal with what happens next. Which in my neck of the woods would be the set pitcher looking at the batter until he deemed the batter ready. I sometimes wonder why guys put a foul ball back in play with a hand up before a point. OBR requires you to put it in play as soon as the pitcher takes the rubber with the ball and other requirements are met. Just point it.
  24. No step by the free foot in the windup

    Yes, might be awkward from a legal FED windup foot position. The free foot preliminary step is optional as is the actual windup with the arms.
  25. 1st game in 26 years.

    G is BU between inning position in RF. J and K are PU positions during F1 warmups. I’m surprised you don’t know this. I won’t include an emoticon as @wwsodeputy did not either and he and I might be guilty of my wife’s observation of dry humor going unrecognized.