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A couple mechanics from this weekend

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I had two situations come up this weekend that my partner and I didn't agree on mechanics.

Sit. 1  -  Bases loaded 2 outs ball hit to F6 and R2 while running to 3B stops in front of F6 and throws hands in the air, dances around trying to distract F6.  I'm in C position and have turned to watch the ball for clean p/u and throw while and see R2's antics.  I immediately call time and announce "That's interference!"  No one complained about the call and everyone was yelling at R2 that he couldn't do that.  My partner however when we were grabbing a drink of water between innings told me that it was a delayed dead ball and I should've allowed the play to continue.  I argued that interference was immediately a dead ball.  Who is right?

Sit. 2  -  R1, nobody out, I'm in B position ball hit to F5 who fields and throws to F4 for the force, I make the out notification and begin to turn for the relay throw to F3 and out of the corner of my eye, I see what looks like hands thrown in the air and a late slide into F4 (throw was high to F3 and runner was safe), I looked at my partner for any indication of interference and he is watching the play at 1st.  Between innings while getting our water (it was 95 degrees and we were on turf), I asked if he saw anything at 2nd on that play.  His response to me was "I never have any responsibility at 2nd, that's all you".  I told him I think it's part of his responsibility to watch for interference at 2nd and he told me that I had bad mechanics if he thought that.  He said his responsibilities in that situation are a potential rotate to 3rd and absent that possibility, then watching for a pulled foot at 1st and then told me I needed to read up on mechanics again.  Am I wrong in thinking that he should help with a possible interference at 2B?

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1.  You are correct that this type of interference (not all interference) is an immediate dead ball.

2.  BU is responsible for INT before the throw.  PU is responsible for INT after the throw.

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Sit #1 -Even though you have 2 outs already on the board... Call interference, time, that is interference you are out. 3rd out so there is no follow up play available and since bases were loaded the out occurred prior to a forced runner reaching safely so no run can score. If less than two outs and you feel no chance for a 2nd out... kill the play, award BR 1st, return all other runners to the base TOP. If you feel you can get two? You, your out... point to the next target, you - your out.

Definition of interference: Section 21 Art. 1 - Offensive interference is an act (physical or verbal) by the team at bat: 

a. which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play; or

b. when a runner creates malicious contact with any fielder, with or without the ball, in or out of the baseline; or

c. a coach physically assists a runner during playing action. 

 (FED 8-4-2g) The runner is out when: intentionally interferes with a throw or thrown ball; or he hinders a fielder on his initial attempt to field a batted ball. A fielder is not protected, except from initial contact if he misplays the ball and has to move from his original location; or his being put out is prevented by an illegal act by anyone connected with the team (2-21-1, 3-2-2, 3) or by the batter runner; for runner returning to a base (8-2-6); and for a runner being hit by a batted ball (8-4-2k). If, in the judgement of the umpire, a runner including the batter runner interferes in any way and prevents a double play anywhere, two shall be declared out (the runner who interfered and the other runner involved). If a retired runner interferes, and in the judgement of the umpire, another runner could have been put out, the umpire shall declare that runner out. If the umpire is uncertain who would have been played on, the runner closest to home shall be called out; or...

Sit #2 - the PU has the follow up of FPSR at 2nd... once F6/F4 throws to F3 you release and make the call unless you already have FPSR violation in which you would kill the play. After the throw you cannot stay with the play at 2nd so your partner has the cleanup.

 

You were right in both situations.

 

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#1 isn't a mechanics issue, it's a rules issue. And he's wrong.

 

#2 is a mechanics issue, and he's still wrong. He also sounds like an arrogant, ignorant jackass.

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2 hours ago, scrounge said:

#2 is a mechanics issue, and he's still wrong. He also sounds like an arrogant, ignorant jackass.

@scrounge... don't hold back. Tell us what you really think!

 

:cheers: :nod: :lol:

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8 hours ago, scrounge said:

#1 isn't a mechanics issue, it's a rules issue. And he's wrong.

 

#2 is a mechanics issue, and he's still wrong. He also sounds like an arrogant, ignorant jackass.

LOL that is what I was thinking also

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That all being said... try and get that illegal slide of you can. Don't turn away to early. Optics wise... It looks better if you call it from 10 ft away rather than your partner calling it from 100 ft away.

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47 minutes ago, BT_Blue said:

That all being said... try and get that illegal slide of you can. Don't turn away to early. Optics wise... It looks better if you call it from 10 ft away rather than your partner calling it from 100 ft away.

I would not give up one of the hardest calls in 2 man, the back end of the DP, to get the FPSR violation. If it happens in front of you get it. Otherwise get turned and set for the play at 1B.

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I've worked this into a pre-game with partners with whom I'm unfamiliar. I have no issue taking INT on the back half if I'm BU, since I can watch for it, then get the play at 1B. But I'll be sure my partner knows it's PU's textbook responsibility.

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1 hour ago, ElkOil said:

I've worked this into a pre-game with partners with whom I'm unfamiliar. I have no issue taking INT on the back half if I'm BU, since I can watch for it, then get the play at 1B. But I'll be sure my partner knows it's PU's textbook responsibility.

You can't watch for it if you are doing your job properly on the back end and a throw is imminent. If it blows up in front of you you get it, otherwise, turn and be set for the hardest call in 2 man.

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2 hours ago, Jimurray said:

I would not give up one of the hardest calls in 2 man

 

54 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

turn and be set for the hardest call in 2 man.

This call gets more difficult the more you try to make your point. I don't agree that it's as difficult as you state. Many calls are more routine, yet more difficult like trying to see a tag from a proper position, yet you're straight-lined. By comparison, two force outs are much easier for me. For you and perhaps others, this is a difficult call. I have no issues with it. We all have our kryptonite.

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My biggest complaint was the fact that he told me MY mechanics were bad if I thought he had any responsibility at 2B on that play, meaning to me, if the roles had been reversed and I had been PU and had seen this play with interference at 2B and called it, then he quite possibly would have been upset with me stepping on his call and responsibility.  You all have answered my questions about the mechanics though and I appreciate the input.

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