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[stl_ump]

On a typical double play attempt (F6 - F4 - F3) is the throw by F6 considered the first play and the throw by F4 considered a 2nd play for purposes of placing runners or is it all one play?

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[noumpere]

3 minutes ago, stl_ump said:

On a typical double play attempt (F6 - F4 - F3) is the throw by F6 considered the first play and the throw by F4 considered a 2nd play for purposes of placing runners or is it all one play?

Thanks

 

Two plays.  (Play 2 below in *almost* the very play you ask about.)

 

5.1 PLAY OR ATTEMPTED PLAY

The following interpretation of "play or attempted play" applies to both awarding of bases

(Official Baseball Rule 7.05(g)) and appeal plays (Official Baseball Rule 7.10):

A play or attempted play is interpreted as a legitimate effort by a defensive player who has

possession of the ball to actually retire a runner. This may include an actual attempt to tag a

runner, a fielder running toward a base with the ball in an attempt to force or tag a runner, or

actually throwing to another defensive player in an attempt to retire a runner. (The fact that the

runner is not out is not relevant.) A fake or a feint to throw shall not be deemed a play or an

attempted play.

EXAMPLES:

A play or attempted play:

(1) Runners on first and second, ground ball to the shortstop, who makes a swipe at the

runner from second but misses and then throws beyond first base into the stands.

Ruling: The swipe by the shortstop is an attempted play; thus the throw to first is not the

first play by an infielder (even though it is the first throw), and the proper award of bases

would be from the time of the throw.

(2) Runner on first and ground ball to second baseman who flips ball to short to get runner

from first but who is safe. Shortstop throws beyond first into the stands.

Ruling: The flip by the second baseman to the shortstop is an attempted play, even

though unsuccessful. The throw to first is not the first play by an infielder and thus runner

should be placed from the time of the throw. Runner who was on first would score and

batter-runner would be placed at second.

[maven]

A play for the purpose of that rule is a bona fide attempt to put out a runner. An attempted double play is thus two plays.

[ALStripes17]

Would it even matter? If F4 is making a throw to 1B with BR still short of 1B then the 2 base award is the same. If the F4 is making a throw after the BR has reached 1B then it's still a 2 base award (that one guaranteed to be TOT since BR reached 1B before the throw)... and a really dumb F4 haha

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[noumpere]

1 hour ago, ALStripes17 said:

Would it even matter? If F4 is making a throw to 1B with BR still short of 1B then the 2 base award is the same. If the F4 is making a throw after the BR has reached 1B then it's still a 2 base award (that one guaranteed to be TOT since BR reached 1B before the throw)... and a really dumb F4 haha

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 It's just an illustration.  Suppose the attempted DP was F1-F2-F3.  Or. suppose R1 was safe at second.

[JaxRolo]

On a typical double play attempt (F6 - F4 - F3) is the throw by F6 considered the first play and the throw by F4 considered a 2nd play for purposes of placing runners or is it all one play?

Thanks

 

2 throws. 2 bases