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Rule book answer: that's a step balk. Real world answer: oh yes he did step off. Incorrect in FED. As long as he throws to first it's legal. But if he feints to first and didn't disengage beforehand or as apart of the move to third, now its a balk.

This is the same thing I was thinking, I just couldn't figure out how it took us so long to get here. Its typical of many posts not only here but on other boards. Two (or more) people who aren't quite sure go round and round and maybe even convince themselves of a wrong ruling until someone with the right answer shows up. Its the problem with expecting instant gratification or results. Better answers are received when the question is posted and then the poster "goes away" for a day and then gets answers from a dozen or whatever people. Either there will be a clear concensus by then (that is 99% likely to be correct) or there isn't and then future discussions are just regurgitating the same cud.

Are you sure? No chance for 2 outs there? Theres a chance for two outs but only if a DP was possible / likely (I forget the exact HS words here). So if R3 went when the ball was hit and the interference happened up the line toward the plate then you could say that the likely result with no interference is F5 catches the ball (BR out) and then doubles off R3. None of that was in the test question though. And am I imagining things or is this about the 5th thread on this subject recently -- it seems to be the "play of the year" and I don't quite get why theres so much confusion over it still.

I agree with JaxRolo -- so I must have the wrong answer.

Seems like a good deal for the home team. They have 9 in the field, neither team goes to the dugout, all the others are ejected -- forfeit against the visitors. Plus a quick payday for the umpires. ;0

I know anyone can miss any question and anyone can misread any question, but I don't see anything wrong with this question. Seems straightforward and should be able to be answered correctly by more than 99% of the test takers.

And if you search the cases under this rule (I think) you will find a case that's nearly identical to the OP. yes, but nothing mentions the line the runner must take to get to first, He can just run from the front of the dugout straight across the field to first? Unless a play is being made on a runner, the runner can run wherever he wants (okay, taken to the extreme maybe not).

And if you search the cases under this rule (I think) you will find a case that's nearly identical to the OP.

False, but I'm not going to hijack the thread. Now you have me curious. Let's go for it. How can you have a foul tip carom off of a 1st baseman? Ball goes: Bat - F2's glove - F3 - F2's glove (and caught). Possible in theory only. ??????????????????????????????????? what's your question? That's a foul tip that deflected off the 1st baseman,

False, but I'm not going to hijack the thread. Now you have me curious. Let's go for it. How can you have a foul tip carom off of a 1st baseman? Ball goes: Bat - F2's glove - F3 - F2's glove (and caught). Possible in theory only.

Yes. But, that doesn't apply in the OP, since there was RLI. You can't ignore that even with the CI. The coach get's the "choice" between the play (RLI, Batter out, other runners return) or the penalty (CI, BR to first, other runners advance). Unless there's some reason the coach needs a third out to end the inning *right now* (e.g., some crazy youth ball tournament tie-breaking rule), there's really no choice to be made.

I think too many people get confused over the play in this thread (not a catch) and the similar "Fx gets the ball in his glove and then runs into the wall and is knocked out and Fy picks the ball out of the glove or off the chest of Fx." Different plays. Different results.

Any particular washing / drying instructions or do you just throw them in with your delicates?

Sigh. The rules don't always say what they mean or mean what they say. OBR has 234 errors (or some such number) according to Jim Evans.

The batter hits a fly ball that passes over the center field fence, orbits the earth, and is caught by the pitcher. (It's a given.) HR or out? Both. 9.01© I learned this from watching Bugs Bunny on Saturday mornings. the same way "he who shall not be named" learned his rules.

If this is MLB, that would lead to a big fine and a suspension for both the manager and the pitcher. And, hold the ejection until the batter is faced.

When Able bats, Baker is removed once. When Charlie comes in, Able is removed once. Since both Able and Baker were starters, they can each re-enter. So, Baker re-enters. Charlie is now done for the day (he was not a starter and thus cannot reenter). then Able PHs for Baker -- Baker is now done for the day. Then Daniels runs for Able --- Able is now done for the day.

Ewwww.

Yes they do. Fans call me that all the time! Proof that fans get some calls right?

... and U1 has BR at first and second,; U3 has all other plays at second and all plays at third. (just to complete it for any noobies)

If it's an announced sub, then Chip is put in Claire's spot and is BOO. I don't see how it can be otherwise given that you need to enforce the ejection.

In FED they are locked into the batting order. You can never have both players on defense. In OBR (and NCAA), they are not. You could have both players on defense (with the loss fo the DH, of course)

Agreed. Now the question is: can/do you protect runners not involved with the OBS? In game situation at first glance of the OP, I would call the OBS (hold that fist out!!!), R2 is out at plate for 2nd out, R1 is out at 2B on force for 3rd out. No runs score and B1 is credited with a FC in the box score. Sorry kid, no RBI, no base hit, no prom queen You can make whatever awards you deem necessary to nullify the OBS. that might or might not change your answer. and I'm pretty sure FED dropped the "left fist out" signal for DDB.

How do you award R1 3rd, but call R2 out at the plate? Going away from the OP -- you can protect R1 to second but then award him third if the award to BR "forces" R1 to advance from second to third.

It's a balk if F1 doesn't IMMEDIATELY drop his hands. Unless, of course, you are umpiring baseball, and then the rule is just as you say it is -- drop before re-engaging; no other penalty.