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Everything posted by beerguy55

  1. Potential double play

    Leave it to me to assume the worst in people - I'm always looking for the loopholes. I'd be pretty surprised to see a kid do it even if he knew the rule...for the rarity of how often the situation actually presents itself to begin with, then to have the presence of mind to recognize it, remember the rule, and act upon it...I'd have to applaud the kid.
  2. Batters interference, what is a play

    To my knowledge, the only time a throw is REQUIRED for interference is when the batter/runner is outside the running lane on a play to first base - baseball and softball are the same in this regard. This is from the Official Softball Rules, for international play, where all other softball codes are derived - so it would depend if LL has modified this or not - I'd like to see/hear exactly what the book you saw says: According to the International ORS your situation is an out: Batter is out... When he: 1. Hinders the catcher from catching or throwing the ball by stepping out of the batter's box, or 2. Intentionally hinders the catcher while standing within the batter's box, or 3. (FP ONLY) Interferes with a play at home plate. 4. Intentionally interferes with a thrown ball while in or out of the batter’s box And, for reference, the batter/runner is out... When he: 1. Runs outside the one meter (3 ft.) line and, in the umpire's judgment, interferes with (a) The fielder taking the throw at first base, or (b) The thrown ball, preventing a fielder from making a play at first base. NOTE: A thrown ball striking a batter-runner does not necessarily constitute interference.
  3. Where is the arrow pointing?

    I don't think so myself - as a coach, if given the choice, I would rather see something called all year and ignored in the playoffs, than the reverse. And it is typically the reverse is what I experience. I'm typically less worried about the standards being higher before than now...I'd rather adjust in the first five games than the last, and I appreciate the umps adhering to the higher emphasis early on. "Blue, we were called for this twice in March, and we adjusted - why isn't it being called now?" VS "Blue, I haven't seen a single crew call this on my team, or any team we've played, all year, and now it's 'something'?" In my experience I've had the second conversation far more often than the first - in one case in the National Championships. It's a far less pleasant conversation. The first conversation is really about setting expectations, and than just accepting it. The second is going to require an adjustment. And also in my experience the likelihood of the second conversation happening is directly related to whether or not the ump knows he's being evaluated.
  4. Can you do anything here?

    In OBR, I assume it would be the offensive coach that wins this argument. Going to the MLB playoffs a few years back when Martin's throw back to the mound hit Soo and bounced away allowing Odor to score - PU killed the play before Odor advanced and then (correctly) awarded the run after....leading to a 75 minute inning.
  5. Missed call?

    You ump softball too, right? Just curious - In softball this is always TOT, is it not? (ie. there is no provision for infielder first play)
  6. Little batter catches pitch

    LL is an all encompassing term that includes "kids" up to 18 years old...I rarely assume we're always talking about the 12 years we see in the LLWS. Being funny, being a smartass, and being a douchebag can often be interchangeable - especially depending on the mood of your audience. I'm taking the OP at face value. Right handed batter reached behind him and CAUGHT the pitch with his left hand..."not in self defense". Jumping back into the pitch is a reactionary move, is understandable, and a lot more difficult to judge that it was done on purpose. Reaching back to catch a pitch is a conscious effort and decision...and if you had time to make that decision, you had time to avoid being hit altogether.
  7. Potential double play

    The assumption here made by the other posters is the runner reached second base AFTER F1 started his pitching motion (TOP)....the scenario of said runner rounding second base before F6 catches a line drive is unusual/unlikely on its own...one possible explanation is R1 got such a head start that he was already at second base at TOP (it can happen at the younger levels where the pitcher just isn't paying attention). IF that is the case, I think the answer is he is awarded home, and he has to touch second before taking his award.
  8. Potential double play

    So, a F7 who catches a ball at the warning track, who likely has no hope of getting R1 on appeal (even though R1 has rounded second base and has a long way to go), can simply toss the ball over the fence, and then retire R1 on the subsequent appeal?
  9. Missed call?

    The first example IS a thrown ball.
  10. Little batter catches pitch

    Penalty 1 - no runners advance, and nobody scores - which would have happened if he hadn't "interfered" Penalty 2 - he doesn't get first base Penalty 3 - umps, being human, will remember this douchebag move - the next time he gets hit by a pitch, or is involved in a close play...dollars to donuts the call doesn't go in his favor There are many ways you can interfere with the play, with the flow of events, with the action...it only matters whether or not you hinder the other team.
  11. Glove Knocked Off - Detached Equipment?

    I respect every umpire on this site, and I have a general respect for most umps with regard to the job they have to do, and that they keep doing it. But, some of the responses here seem to indicate surprise at the behavior, laziness, lack of attention to detail, non-professionalism, etc, displayed by the umpires in this video. Give me ten minutes I'll post another 100 videos just like it (and, yeah, I know...nobody posts the youtube videos where the ump did his job admirably) I'm not going to say the umps in the video represent the vast majority. But I will say that the umps on this site are on the uncommon side of the equation. How many umpires are out there, and how many are members here, or sites like here? Umpires (and coaches) come to sites like this because they WANT to learn and get better...and their search for information, for ways to improve, brings them to a site like this. Umpires aren't using sites like this either because they aren't interested in learning, or don't think they have anything to gain....they know it all already (I don't buy the lack of time argument). They won't find sites like this if they're not looking for ways to improve. They will if they are. It literally took me 60 seconds to find this site, as a result of wanting to validate a certain rule during a google search, determine its value/potential, and register for it. In my travels as a coach, in five provinces, five states, and hundreds of games I have come to the conclusion that I am more likely to run into the umps in the video above (or ones like them) than I am to run into umps from this forum (or ones like them). And that's the perception you as umpires are dealing with every time you show up for a game....even though reality of the quality of most umps sits somewhere in the middle. You have an uphill battle, and are already behind the eight ball before the first pitch is thrown.
  12. Little batter catches pitch

    That information would have been helpful in the original post to the context of your question. Without that tidbit, your question is simply asking if a batter is out if he intentional gets hit by a pitch. Considering that he actually impeded his own team from scoring, and that he actually helped, not hindered, the defense by preventing the ball from going to the backstop, I have a hard time believing it would ever be called interference. Interference/obstruction are about hindrance - if he didn't hinder the defense then you have your answer.
  13. Batter turning at first base

    It's the umps (and frankly, coachs/players/parents) that don't think it's a judgment call at all and that intent doesn't matter - and hold to the belief that simply rotating left puts you at peril - that worry me.
  14. Third out run scored

    Yes - especially at that age level - at that age level the umpires are typically learning as much as the players/coaches are.
  15. Third out run scored

    A force is defined by the situation, not the method of how he was put out. The runner on first is forced to second when the batter puts the ball in play. A runner who is forced may be tagged, or you may tag the base. In either scenario it is a force out.
  16. Dropped third strike

    Baseball and softball are exactly identical when it comes to dropped third strike rules - I think even with the age group when it starts. Unless the umpire can read into your heart and mind and knows with 100% certainty, and willing to bet his life on it, that your intent was to deceive/confuse the defense then MAYBE, just maybe, it could be ruled interference by a retired player. In the end, the catcher needs to know the rule. S/he knows it was strike three. She needs to know in that situation the batter is out, whether she caught it or not. And you're not alone - hundreds of coaches out there teach their kids the same - run on any strike three (don't even wait to see if it wasn't caught).
  17. Infield fly not declared

    God I hate this interpretation. Whomever wrote this ruling never played the game and doesn't understand why the rule exists. It's one thing to know the situation - yes, I'm a base runner on second base...another guy on first, nobody out, and it's an infield fly situation. Check. It's another to know the umpire's judgment. And it's the umpire's judgment that matters here. It's the only thing that matters...ever. Sure, it looks to me like it's an infield fly (but it's not my call, and it's not my judgment that matters)...and I don't hear either ump say anything. And I don't see either ump signalling anything. So, I on second base, and my buddy R1 have a decision to make when the ball drops. Trust that it is an infield fly and both umpires simply have laryngitis, and stay put, risking the defense getting a cheap DP...or, trusting that the umpires just don't think the ball was catchable with "ordinary effort", genuinely aren't calling an infield fly, and running, because I am now forced (or believe I am), risking running myself into an easy out when I didn't really have to. Because, yeah, sure, it certainly looks like an infield fly. And that ball that landed three feet foul looked foul until Blue called it fair. All this ruling does is lets weak, indecisive umps off the hook.
  18. Hit By Pirch

    Both. Any pitch that hits the batter under any circumstance is a dead ball. Every pitch thrown is either a ball or a strike...even if the batter is awarded first base on a HBP that pitch is recorded as a ball. If the ump rules the batter leaned into it, it is still a pitch and needs to be recorded, whether it is a ball or a strike, and it goes to the count of the batter. Sounds like he was negating the pitch if it was a ball (ie. not only do you not get your base, you don't get the ball call either), and enforcing it if it was a strike. And that is indeed a nice perch.
  19. Batted ball hits fielders foot, then...

    The rule is found in the definitions section...you need both the definition of "catch" and "in flight"...below are specifically from OBR A CATCH is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a ball in flight and firmly holding it (emphasis mine) IN FLIGHT describes a batted, thrown, or pitched ball which has not yet touched the ground or some object other than a fielder.
  20. Dead ball

    Yes, if strike three. Even if it goes fair. Doesn't matter where the ball goes. Ball is dead as soon as it hits the batter.
  21. Call at the plate

    Unless I missed the memo, umpires are still human. Players will make bad plays, coaches will make bad decisions, and umpires will make bad calls.
  22. Call at the plate

    Yes, but keep in mind, whether he made a bad call or not, most times the guy five feet from the plate has a better view than the guy 80 feet away. Unless something really egregious the optics of changing that call aren't good. And that's before considering the possibility/probability that his partner is paying attention to the other base runners at the time of the play at the plate.
  23. F4 is a shorter throw to first, where most plays will occur. A player with a weaker arm can play second where they probably can't play short/third (if you want them to throw anybody out). As well, the weaker player who doesn't field the ball cleanly, as often, still has time to get the batter from second. I've put many a players who struggled at F6 into F4 to see them completely shine...just putting them closer to first takes so much pressure off them...even they know that have a little more room for error. F5 is a much elevated risk over F4/F6 as F5 is simply closer to the batter. Less time to react means a higher chance of injury. It's not called the "hot corner" for geothermal reasons. F3 too, but you rarely see weak players put there so the discussion point doesn't come up.
  24. Or RF if you're not worried about the throw to third....typically more balls get hit to LF as you see more right handed hitters. If that changes, or I find the hitters are behind the fast pitcher, I'll change that up to LF. You were clear. This to me is more about game management and time wasting, but if it's done efficiently... I've swapped F4/F6 and F4/F3 mid-inning to optimize my defense in scenarios, based on the batter. I've swapped outfielders mid-inning once or twice to give me the strongest arm where I thought I'd need it to throw a runner out at home. If I do end up with a really weak player in a particular game, they'll go to RF or second base, depending on the opponent, and keep them there. I would only do what the OP coach is doing in a must win game (provided I have buy-in/mandate from parents that winning is the priority - that's a whole other topic)....in games against weaker opponents, or "less important" games, where I do play the weaker bench players, I typically let them loose and hope they prove me wrong for ever sitting them. If he wants to put that kid at third base, figuring the ball will get hit to RF...that's all fine and dandy until he has to take the throw at third for one of the runners on the play. Yeah, the move appears douchey - especially at a rec league level - but you may not know the whole story. If I show up with only 9 players (or through fair play mandates it's someone's turn to play) and player 9 is afraid of the ball, or is literally fielding 0.000 on the season, or is sick that day, I may do what I can to minimize the chances of him seeing the ball come to him. I've seen coaches have to deal with the kid who is only there because his parents make him be there...one case in particular - all season long, unless the ball was hit directly exactly to him, he didn't play the ball...and at the plate, through every at bat and every game, never swung the bat once. If I had that player on my team, you bet your ass I'm putting him wherever I think the ball isn't going.
  25. Nobody puts their "weakest" player at third base, in any circumstances. In fact, I had to tell a parent his choice was to coach the team himself or go pound sand when I refused to play his kid at third base, with the genuine concern of injury or death, to a kid who not only was weak, but had the attention span of a gnat. Sure, the one fielder may be better than the other...that's just strategy. Unless the league has specific "fair play" rules that require equal time at positions (or at least between infield/outfield) there's nothing here. Be happy the kid's in the infield.