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Everything posted by beerguy55

  1. Waterton's nice and enough to do there without worrying about the 3+ hour drive to Banff. Windy though. I have a picture of a buffalo licking my truck bumper in Yellowstone - there was nfw I was getting out of my truck to, again, join the morons who were standing on the street taking photos of the herd.
  2. I took this shot out of my truck window last week near Banff. There were people idiots out of their cars standing within 20 feet of this dude trying to get a good photo.
  3. Does FED require the runner to react in any way to the fake tag, or is the fake tag itself enough to invoke a penalty?
  4. On the softball side, across most (if not all) rule sets, it is obstruction, the runner will be awarded the base they would have reached if obstruction had not occurred, and the umpire has judgment to eject without warning. It also requires the runner to either slide, slow down, hesitate, or stop. If fielder applies a fake tag and the runner just keeps running there is no obstruction, because their progress has not been impeded. Otherwise, cowboy rules apply - next time fielder is at the plate he gets one in the ear hole.
  5. Considering you primarily do squeeze plays with right handed batters for the advantages it provides, specifically because the right handed batter makes a pitch out extremely disadvantageous, and the batter is inherently in the way (much like the inherent advantage to stealing third with a right-handed batter up), common sense would dictate this is nothing 99.9% of the time. Knowing the rule to cite certainly helps, but any coach that makes this argument either doesn't know the game itself, or has no integrity.
  6. If he has JUST picked up the ball on his second attempt you need to make a judgment to whether or not he opted to make a play on R2 (which could be a split second decision), rather than just wanting to throw to first or second base. That's gonna be a tough call, and the benefit of the doubt is going to go to the fielder, but considering the bobble, the force play at third, and the fact that the runner is right there, playing the runner is a possibility.
  7. It would be 1-3 putout (I'm suspecting even under verbal appeal rules this is how it would be recorded)....a "one" in the At Bat column and a "zero" in the Hit column. with three RBI's (assuming it's not third out) Can't be a HR - you must touch all four bases and score to be credited with a HR
  8. It is not a sacrifice fly as R3 scored as a result of the bad throw, not the fly ball itself. (taken literally, OBR says it's a sac fly if the ball is caught and a runner scores after the catch, but you wouldn't reward a sac fly if F7 caught a ball and R1 eventually came around to score after two throwing errors on the same play - implied in the rule is immediacy, no errors, no intervening play, and that is how it is practiced) Yes, you can have a sac fly that scores a run from second (I've seen it) or even first (haven't seen that) - typically a result of an outfielder making a diving catch and getting injured, so not able to immediately get up and throw the ball in. It is an error because the bad throw allowed R3 to advance to home OR because the bad throw allowed the runner to reach third base safely - you can't give two errors for the same bad throw (even though GameChanger will let you) (b) The official scorer shall charge only one error on any wild throw, regardless of the number of bases advanced by one or more runners. The run is unearned because the run scored as as direct result of an error. (d) No run shall be earned when the scoring runner’s advance has been aided by an error, a passed ball or defensive interference Rule 9.16 127 or obstruction, if in the official scorer’s judgment the run would not have scored without the aid of such misplay You can, in some cases, have a sac fly AND an error - that occurs if the fielder drops the fly ball, but you judge that R3 would have scored even if the ball was caught. (2) is dropped, and a runner scores, if in the scorer’s judgment the runner could have scored after the catch had the fly been caught.
  9. Yes, apparently if the ball beats the runner your work is done.
  10. Page 154 is your best diagram. Back side of first and third is 90 feet, which to 90 degrees creates a point at the middle of second base - meaning that the sides of second base are not in line with the sides or third or first base, it's six inches out. If the 90 foot line was the front of first and third base you'd end up with a second base about six inches outside the infield. There is a disparity between a fair and foul ball because of this, and how the definitions are worded, but, it's all clearly worded - you effectively get extra fair territory if you're fortunate enough to touch or bounce over the base. A ball that lands directly beside first base in fair territory, kicks sideways over first base, and settles next to first base in foul territory, is a fair ball, because it went "over" the base, even though it has never passed first base. (same if it touched the base) A ball that lands in fair territory in front of first base, rolls to foul territory before reaching first base, and settles in foul territory beside first base is foul, because it has not passed first base in fair territory, and because it didn't go over the base, nor touch the base. A ball that lands directly beside first base in foul territory, kicks sideways over first base, and settles next to first base, is a fair ball, because it did not pass first base in foul territory.
  11. What's interesting here is the 90 foot point of the foul line is the back side of the base - that pane of glass is on the back side of the base (hence the wording about PASSING first or third base). If a fly ball lands beside first base, kicks right and bounces OVER first base without touching it, and settles in foul territory that would, I think, be a foul ball, as it wasn't "past" first base.
  12. Ryan called time and then didn't have the balls to tell Miller that.
  13. As far as I know USSSA, NSA, ASA, and Softball Canada fwiw all allow dead ball verbal appeals. If the pitcher is in the circle and players are on their base, that is when action is over and the verbal appeal can occur. So, it really comes down to if the play was still going when the pitcher threw to first. If the play was still going (ie. R1 rounding third, pitcher figuring out what to do), then the verbal appeal isn't valid, she would have to throw to first, and the play to home is just part of the continuous action - the appeal can occur at the end of action. If the play was considered stopped, with the pitcher in the circle and the runner standing on third base, then the verbal appeal would be valid, and then at that point the runner leaving third base would be illegal, would it not?
  14. By definition loopholes aren't in regulations, they are left unsaid in regulations - that's why they're loopholes. As worded the rules create a loophole that implicitly allows the situation in the OP to occur.
  15. Do you redirect all the FED, NCAA and Pro questions to their sub-forums? This is a GENERAL forum, directed to umpires of both softball and baseball. Until you can show me in the general guidelines that this is a baseball site. You've already had your ears pinned once by the admins for making up your own rules.
  16. I've seen confusion in whether the first batter of an inning is "on deck", and teams will try to put both their first two batters out while the pitcher is warming up, thinking that the first one is the batter, the second one is "on deck". The rule I've seen enforced on all levels in baseball and softball is that only the first batter of the inning is allowed to warm up, in the on deck circle, while the pitcher is warming up...once he steps to the plate (after the pitcher is done his warmups) the second batter may then step to the on deck circle and start warming up. I've never heard of a restriction on the on deck batter timing their swing with the pitch - this is what I was taught to do at eight years old, I did it through Little League, and this is what I have taught players to do for as long as I have's the primary reason for being in the on deck circle.
  17. Yeah - that "ball" three was a strike. The wheels certainly fell off after that. Next pitch, ball four to walk in a run to make it 3-2. Next pitch an error 4-2. Two pitches later a double, 6-2. This kind of ejection is more symbolic than anything, isn't it? Sure, the pitcher can't return to the bench, but as he was leaving the field and going at the umpire, I'm thinking to myself - "this is a freebie". Players that are already subbed out of the game certainly have little incentive to keep their cool.
  18. This has started becoming a growing point of confusion with newer score keepers who are using Game Changer to track all pitches. There's no "Time" or "dead ball" option on a pitch, and then they're wondering how the batter got to two strikes. No matter how many times I say "it's a foul ball" they keep saying "the ump didn't say that". I'm pretty sure these people would drive into a lake if their GPS told them to.
  19. If retired R2 impeded a following play on R1 or BR then you can also call the second out....6-5-3 DP would not be out of the question here. And, yes, eject the little SH*#. And, yes, your reputation follows you...if you are known as a dirty player then even when you do something accidentally people are going to assume it was intentional, and you're certainly not going to get any benefit of the doubt.
  20. Referencing OBR - Diagram of field showing foul lines going through batter's boxes on Page 154, Appendix 2 And then page 143 FAIR TERRITORY is that part of the playing field within, and including the first base and third base lines, from home base to the bottom of the playing field fence and perpendicularly upwards. All foul lines are in fair territory. And then page 144 FOUL TERRITORY is that part of the playing field outside the first and third base lines extended to the fence and perpendicularly upwards. The diagram of the field in the appendix, and the two definitions of fair and foul territory (as well as the definitions of fair and foul ball) very clearly support your position. It is up to him to cite a rule that states the entire box is foul territory.
  21. I see this as a difference between trying to dislodge the ball from the player, and trying to dislodge the head from the player. This is the former.
  22. Or, it's a confusion between time of throw and time it went out of play. Last night I was watching a community game where F4 threw into the dugout, where BR hadn't reached first base at time of throw (ie. if throw was on target BR would have been out) and inexperienced umpire gave BR third base.
  23. My assumption is a detached glove is, under the definition of "in flight", an object other than a fielder, which is why the ball in the detached glove isn't a catch even if picked up after - it's no longer in flight. So my question is, does this state occur as soon as the glove becomes detached, or as soon as the detached glove touches the ground? If F8's glove comes off (with ball in it) and then the glove is caught before it hits the ground, would it be a catch - or would the ball cease to be "in flight" the moment it is touching the detached glove?
  24. Depends on if it's baseball, softball, a pitch, a foul ball, a fair ball, a throw from the infield, a throw from the outfield, day of the week, time of day, if the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligned with Mars.
  25. It's amazing the number of times I've seen a pitcher throw four balls when all he had to do was pipe it. Somehow "let him hit it" translates to "walk him".