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Everything posted by beerguy55

  1. Blind call

    And this is what drives coaches nuts. Most of them aren't stupid. Most of them know you could not have seen this play, and they know you're guessing.
  2. Next? That was done almost 40 years ago when I played LL. Not only is it teaching kids strategy - it's teaching coaches to stop relying on their star players to overcome their coaching shortcomings. Possible choices: Make your best player the leadoff batter, to ensure he goes to first base with nobody out. Put your second best hitter directly behind him in the lineup. Put your third best hitter leadoff, with best hitter batting second. Teach your other players to hit. You can't score if you don't get on base. If I had a player who was walked every time he went to the plate, for a 1.000 OBP, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
  3. Typically, someone brings SOMEONE to the game that can do it. And in those cases where you literally don't have anyone, one or two people are assigned to memorize the action and record it as soon as they get off the field each inning If you are in a league that requires the home team to submit the official score, or for both teams to submit their score sheets, not having a tenth person to record the score is not accepted as an excuse for not meeting your obligations. So, in short, figure it out.
  4. leaving base

    1. Coach is standing there screaming at the kid that he is safe and to return to base - kid just doesn't hear him 2. Kid for reasons known only to himself thinks he is out and starts walking to the bench before coach has any chance to say/do anything - after one or two steps ump calls him out.
  5. Rule 4.09

    Even in a situation where he would be required to touch second - eg. a hit rather than a walk - the defense would be required to do something - that is, make a play at second base in the form of a force play/appeal - rather than the umpire just calling him out for abandonment.
  6. Tag runner on half-off helmet - out?

    What if his head is in the helmet?
  7. And standard newbie response would be "I never said he was forced to advance. He's forced to retreat. The rules say he MUST go back to first...that would be forcing him to retreat wouldn't it? That's why you only have to touch the base...because he's forced...right?" People asking this question don't know that the baseball vernacular for "force" is different than the dictionary version.
  8. Walk off hit???

    Once the BR is out, for any reason, R1 is no longer forced to leave first base. Let's say in your second scenario R1 advances almost to second, trips, and BR rounds first and is tagged - even though he made it safely to first once he is tagged out, the force for R1 is off - he may get up and try to get to either base.
  9. I'm not sure what backing support the home team could provide. They have zero evidence of what the visiting team scored. You haven't said if they claimed that they scored 14 runs, or that you only scored 10. Sounds to me like you went into the last inning being told by the visiting team how many runs they had, and then they "found" some more runs. If that's the case, your score sheet is useless. Depends on what the league rules are. If the home team is responsible for the "official" score I'm not rewarding them for shirking their responsibility - you're telling me no one had a friend, kid, spouse at the game? Otherwise, get in the habit of remembering what the other team did and when you come in from the field quickly update the score sheet - been there done that.
  10. 3rd out appeal

    As a coach/player in what I guesstimate is in the neighborhood of 1500-2000 games I can only recall this happening twice. In one of those games one coach and the umpire believed it was a "force" play and the run was nullified. In the other game, both coaches and the umpire knew the rule. The interesting part is two runs actually scored on the play, with bases loaded and R1 running instead of tagging on a fly ball to the warning track. The only discussion was whether or not R2 beat the appeal on R1.
  11. Concerning Coach Pitch...

    The coaches and parents give the gears to the parent volunteer who is umping just as much as they would give a paid/carded/certified umpire. Christ, just look at the youtube videos that are posted from parents who cammed their kids' game on their phone, and are questioning/complaining about some call the umpire made - who is just some dude in jeans wearing a face mask. If someone's gonna get heckled and ridiculed you may as well make the parents pay for it.
  12. Batter Interference on Strike Three

    OK - now I'm really confused and I'm wondering if someone is pulling my leg. Rule 5 Dead Ball - Suspension of Play SECTION 1 DEAD BALL ART. 1 . . . Ball becomes dead immediately when: n. when backswing interference occurs ART. 2 . . . It is a delayed dead ball when: a. there is interference by a batter (Exception 7-3-5 Penalty), 1. When the batter interferes with the catcher attempting to play on a runner, if an out does not result at the end of the catcher’s throw, the ball shall become dead immediately. I hate life.
  13. Batter Interference on Strike Three

    Fine, whatever the correct ruling is, have the umpire, and not me, announce it. I was going by @noumpere's earlier post about throwing out the runner directly on weak interference. I thought the immediate dead ball was only in FED.
  14. Batter Interference on Strike Three

    The official play by play has Smoak out on Batter Interference...."Justin Smoak strikes out swinging. Justin Smoak out on batter interference." https://www.mlb.com/gameday/blue-jays-vs-orioles/2018/04/10/529573#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=play-by-play,game=529573 Top of first. It could also simply be that the software used to record the play by play doesn't have backswing interference as an option.
  15. Batter Interference on Strike Three

    Lack of audio evidence is lack of audio evidence. It simply means we have no direct evidence, that I have seen, to what the umpire ruled. We are concluding what the umpire ruled by the execution. Well, you see a different clip than I do. The clip in this thread I don't see a bat hit the mitt and I see a point that comes after Smoak leans into F2's throwing lane. It's very possible the bat did hit the mitt. I'm simply saying I see no indication that the ump ruled one or the other...he could be ruling either one...he could be pointing because the bat hit the mitt, or he could be pointing because Smoak leaned into the throwing lane. I haven't seen a clip of the ump talking to Showalter so I don't have anything to lipread - if you have it, by all means I'm open to it. My end goal is pretty straightforward, and I though I was pretty clear in the first post I made. Take ten seconds and tell everyone the call and the explanation. It adds transparency, and removes any question to what was called and ruled. Even if you could lipread - that doesn't help the people in the stands. And it doesn't help anyone who doesn't know what backswing interference is. Umps took more time going back and forth talk to both managers - even if he did tell them it was backswing interference - than it would have taken to open the mic and tell everyone his ruling.
  16. Batter Interference on Strike Three

    You're making the assumption the crew got the call right (which is, admittedly, a safe starting point). But beyond concluding what the call must have been, because of how it was executed, do you KNOW based on some signal or other action? If the umpire ruled batter interference, and not backswing interference, they kicked it. The point isn't whether or not the scorekeeper got it wrong, the point is there's no transparent path of communication here - we don't know what the ump said at the time Smoak struck out, we don't know what he said to the other umps, we don't know what he said to the coaches - and we don't know if the score keeper effectively (wrongly?) guessed the call was batter's interference, or was indeed told/confirmed it was batter's interference. We are left to conclude what the ump called, based on where he placed the runner - and that conclusion is founded on the premise that they had to have executed the call correctly. That does not preclude that he made a different call and executed incorrectly.
  17. April 10 game - Blue Jays at Orioles. Top of first, Granderson is R1. One out. Count is 3-2 on Smoak, batting left. Shift is on. Granderson goes on the pitch, Smoak swings and misses at strike three, PU immediately rules BI. Granderson easily reaches second on errant throw, then never stops running and tries to advance to undefended third base only to be tagged out by the pitcher. Umps send Granderson back to first and next batter comes to plate. Shouldn't this have been a double play?...either for: 1. If, however, the catcher makes a play and the runner attempting to advance is put out, it is to be assumed there was no actual interference and that runner is out—not the batter (batter would be out by K though in this scenario) or 2. The retired batter hindered the play on R1 - if there's no hindrance there's no BI, right? Though it was top of the first, and nothing came of it - next batter k'd - this looks like the second protestable call Showalter had to deal with inside a week. He argued half-heartedly and didn't protest.
  18. BI called Jays/Orioles - is ruling correct?

    thx for this - I did search before posting, but only by "new topics".
  19. Batter Interference on Strike Three

    This is where, once again, there'd be value if the umpires told all viewers what was going on. With all the back and forth that happened between talking to the two coaches, explaining the play, it would take less time to simply turn on your mic and tell everyone: "Batter is out on strikes - on the follow through his bat contacted the catcher. It's a dead ball, and since the runner was not thrown out on the catcher's throw, the runner returns to first. Two out. First down. Look at my pipes, I'm Ed Hochuli." Also to be noted - the official score keeper and official play-by-play has this recorded as Smoak retired due to Batter's Interference, so there's a disconnect somewhere, and it looks like even the MLB score keeper is guessing to what the ump called. Personally, it looked more like BI than BsI to me - I don't see/hear the bat hit the mitt, but I see Smoak fall over, if slightly, into the throw lane. If ump judged BI, call is wrong, if ump judged BsI, call is right...right? So, besides concluding that the call must have been BsI simply because the ump returned R1, is there anything in the mechanic in the video to indicate one way or the other what he actually called? His point comes after Smoak leans, so it could still be either thing he's calling. He calls Smoak out (not shown in video), but it was strike three.
  20. Ball hits batters hands

    Dead ball, strike, runners return - batter out if strike three.
  21. Using HC First Name

    Who are these people who want flies?
  22. Passing Runner, ala Beavers vs. Wildcats

    So, my first assumption is you are waiting for fair/foul before announcing anyone passed anyone, right? It's not "batter out if fair"? Well, it is, but you don't announce it that way, right? Also - If the ball is caught in fair territory, after the batter passes R1, is the batter out for passing or for the caught ball? I'm assuming whatever happened first? Or does it matter? That would be important in determining - and letting everyone know - if the runner has to tag up....or is the runner required to tag up regardless? Edit - In looking at the rules I don't see anything that would nullify the runner's requirement to tag up - the batter being called out doesn't nullify the "catch", nor the rules around it - no different than an infield fly - but I'll still ask to be sure.
  23. Force Out?

    Yes, the definition, at least, is clear in not differentiating whether the runner or the base needs to be tagged...only defining the situation, which you would hope in turn people would understand that it is the situation that defines the force, not how the runner is put out. A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner. You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. These tournaments and associations have to stopping giving UIC status to the umpire who happens to be the oldest, or longest standing. Not the first time I've heard of or seen a UIC botch a rule so badly. Once had a UIC nullify a run when the B/R was tagged out a third base, because "the batter was the third out".
  24. Yankees Orioles game potential double play

    I know...that's why I used the word obvious. Glad we're on the same wavelength.