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beerguy55 last won the day on December 27 2016

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  1. As far as I know USSSA, NSA, ASA, and Softball Canada fwiw all allow dead ball verbal appeals. If the pitcher is in the circle and players are on their base, that is when action is over and the verbal appeal can occur. So, it really comes down to if the play was still going when the pitcher threw to first. If the play was still going (ie. R1 rounding third, pitcher figuring out what to do), then the verbal appeal isn't valid, she would have to throw to first, and the play to home is just part of the continuous action - the appeal can occur at the end of action. If the play was considered stopped, with the pitcher in the circle and the runner standing on third base, then the verbal appeal would be valid, and then at that point the runner leaving third base would be illegal, would it not?
  2. By definition loopholes aren't in regulations, they are left unsaid in regulations - that's why they're loopholes. As worded the rules create a loophole that implicitly allows the situation in the OP to occur.
  3. Do you redirect all the FED, NCAA and Pro questions to their sub-forums? This is a GENERAL forum, directed to umpires of both softball and baseball. Until you can show me in the general guidelines that this is a baseball site. You've already had your ears pinned once by the admins for making up your own rules.
  4. I've seen confusion in whether the first batter of an inning is "on deck", and teams will try to put both their first two batters out while the pitcher is warming up, thinking that the first one is the batter, the second one is "on deck". The rule I've seen enforced on all levels in baseball and softball is that only the first batter of the inning is allowed to warm up, in the on deck circle, while the pitcher is warming up...once he steps to the plate (after the pitcher is done his warmups) the second batter may then step to the on deck circle and start warming up. I've never heard of a restriction on the on deck batter timing their swing with the pitch - this is what I was taught to do at eight years old, I did it through Little League, and this is what I have taught players to do for as long as I have's the primary reason for being in the on deck circle.
  5. Yeah - that "ball" three was a strike. The wheels certainly fell off after that. Next pitch, ball four to walk in a run to make it 3-2. Next pitch an error 4-2. Two pitches later a double, 6-2. This kind of ejection is more symbolic than anything, isn't it? Sure, the pitcher can't return to the bench, but as he was leaving the field and going at the umpire, I'm thinking to myself - "this is a freebie". Players that are already subbed out of the game certainly have little incentive to keep their cool.
  6. This has started becoming a growing point of confusion with newer score keepers who are using Game Changer to track all pitches. There's no "Time" or "dead ball" option on a pitch, and then they're wondering how the batter got to two strikes. No matter how many times I say "it's a foul ball" they keep saying "the ump didn't say that". I'm pretty sure these people would drive into a lake if their GPS told them to.
  7. If retired R2 impeded a following play on R1 or BR then you can also call the second out....6-5-3 DP would not be out of the question here. And, yes, eject the little SH*#. And, yes, your reputation follows you...if you are known as a dirty player then even when you do something accidentally people are going to assume it was intentional, and you're certainly not going to get any benefit of the doubt.
  8. Referencing OBR - Diagram of field showing foul lines going through batter's boxes on Page 154, Appendix 2 And then page 143 FAIR TERRITORY is that part of the playing field within, and including the first base and third base lines, from home base to the bottom of the playing field fence and perpendicularly upwards. All foul lines are in fair territory. And then page 144 FOUL TERRITORY is that part of the playing field outside the first and third base lines extended to the fence and perpendicularly upwards. The diagram of the field in the appendix, and the two definitions of fair and foul territory (as well as the definitions of fair and foul ball) very clearly support your position. It is up to him to cite a rule that states the entire box is foul territory.
  9. I see this as a difference between trying to dislodge the ball from the player, and trying to dislodge the head from the player. This is the former.
  10. Or, it's a confusion between time of throw and time it went out of play. Last night I was watching a community game where F4 threw into the dugout, where BR hadn't reached first base at time of throw (ie. if throw was on target BR would have been out) and inexperienced umpire gave BR third base.
  11. My assumption is a detached glove is, under the definition of "in flight", an object other than a fielder, which is why the ball in the detached glove isn't a catch even if picked up after - it's no longer in flight. So my question is, does this state occur as soon as the glove becomes detached, or as soon as the detached glove touches the ground? If F8's glove comes off (with ball in it) and then the glove is caught before it hits the ground, would it be a catch - or would the ball cease to be "in flight" the moment it is touching the detached glove?
  12. Depends on if it's baseball, softball, a pitch, a foul ball, a fair ball, a throw from the infield, a throw from the outfield, day of the week, time of day, if the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligned with Mars.
  13. It's amazing the number of times I've seen a pitcher throw four balls when all he had to do was pipe it. Somehow "let him hit it" translates to "walk him".
  14. Whether it is ultimately determined to be a catch or not, the tag up is only required after the first touch - but for the life of me I can't find the OBR rule that says so (5.09c says "caught") - so is it a case play? I'm pretty sure FED specifically says that on a caught fly ball the runner needs to tag up until ball is touched. For catch/no catch - "A CATCH is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a ball in flight and firmly holding it;...In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional." And "IN FLIGHT describes a batted, thrown, or pitched ball which has not yet touched the ground or some object other than a fielder". if the glove isn't worn by the fielder, then the ball is no longer in flight. The ball has touched an object other than a fielder...the glove that's on the ground. I would, however, argue that if he caught the glove before it hit the ground it would be a catch. So it comes to whether or not the ball was securely in the glove (perhaps), and whether or not there was voluntary/intentional release (doubtful) - no catch.
  15. Being honest here - would you call three strikes no matter where they were, or would you still hold the pitcher to at least get them over the plate?