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  1. How is this handled as it unfolds? R3 leaves early, R2 doesn't. Both cross the plate. R3 returns to third base. Defense throws the ball in, sees R3 standing on third, throws the ball back to the pitcher. I assume you instruct R3 to return to the dugout, and then instruct the score keeper that both runs score? Then if DT makes proper appeal you call R3 out and instruct score keeper to remove that run (or both runs if it's the third out)? If DT says "but he missed third base, and then went back, why does he get to score now?" in FED does that constitute a legal appeal? In OBR is your response something like "a retired or legally scored runner can't return to third base", or some other kind of response that doesn't coach them on how to complete the appeal?
  2. As they say, hit a round ball with a round bat, squarely - hardest thing to do in all of sports. Not to mention the complex calculus equations an outfielder computes on the fly while shagging a fly ball. It's pretty remarkable what we can do, and how little margin for error there is in it.
  3. Interesting. My assumption is that baseball and softball would be the same in this regard. But I'm curious, for OBR, is there a rule or case play you can point me towards? I also want to make sure I'm understanding. Let's say R2 advances to third on a single, touches the base, the play is still live, but he for some reason thinks it was a foul ball, so he trots back to second base, and then stays there when the ball comes into the infield, and hides his head in shame and embarrassment...he would have to stay at second base - correct? BUT, what you're saying is if R3 advances home on a single, touches the base, the play is still live, but he for some reason thinks it was a foul ball, so he trots back to third base, and then stays there when the ball comes into the infield he would actually be awarded the run? You may think I'm odd with these stupid situations, but I have a love for the academic side of the game, and this is my attempt to reverse engineer it.
  4. So, taking any notion of other base runners out of the equation to avoid any possible confusion/distraction, if I legally touch all four bases on an inside the park hit, and then after touching home I get it in my head that I missed third base, I retouch home (or if I never took my foot off home plate, just turn around), run back to third base, and then stay there because the ball has come back into the infield, what happens? Do you as the umpire tell me my run has scored, go to the dugout...or have I just turned my home run into a triple? My assumption has always been that you could undo touching any base, even home, and return to any previous base, as long as the "travesty of the game" doesn't apply, and as long as you don't go beyond the base you occupied at TOP, even if you weren't correcting a mistake (ie. you simply believed you were correcting a mistake, or any other scenario causing you to believe you need to go back to your previous base).
  5. Depends if this is softball or not. The fast pitch rule pertains to the pitcher's circle, and the pitcher having possession of the ball in the circle. Once the pitcher holds the ball in the circle and is not making any kind of act towards the runner the runner must make an immediate decision to which direction to run, and then may not stop or change direction after that. Unless the pitcher makes an act against the runner (and not just a head fake). If the runner is in flight when the pitcher gets the ball the runner may stop once, and then immediately decide what to do. The rule is to prevent the inevitable dicking around kids get into with creating rundowns, and generally wasting time, with the runner continuing head faking and not returning to his base. Especially when the bases are only 60 feet apart, which is the case even in men's fast pitch. I could see this enforced in some community baseball associations too.
  6. Well the run doesn't go on the board until the play is over - the score keepers aren't that fast. What if you were to ask "Can a runner unacquire home base?" I'm suspecting your interpreter is playing on some semantics. I think maven was being illustrative, I think your interpreter is being literal. Or he's just plain wrong. Technically speaking, I'm not sure if the run is counted immediately, or not until the runner enters the dugout, or has clearly shown he is no longer interested in returning to any bases, or even not until the play is over - I don't know if there's a differentiation between "acquiring home base" and "scoring" in the practical element of game management. I ask this because in OBR, in the score keeping section, it says a home run is when "the batter touches all four bases AND scores" (emphasis mine) This suggests to me there is a differentiation between touching home base and scoring. It's a subtle difference in interpretation, but it could explain why he could believe an offense can't "unscore" a run. If a run doesn't count until the runner leaves the field, or until the play is over, then it can't be unscored, because the runner can no longer try to correct any errors at that point. There are certainly times when touching home plate doesn't immediately score a run - eg. with two out, the run doesn't score until BR reaches first base safely If the act of touching home base is an immediate "score/run" then I think that the statement that an offense "can't unscore a run" is inherently wrong. You can indeed run back to third base, after touching home, if you realize you left early or missed it. And that would unscore the run.
  7. I imagine more like R1 veers his path to divert F4 enough that BR beats F4 to the bag, but still gives R1 enough time to get to second. F3 is either gonna still try to throw to first, and be late, or he's going to see F4 is late, double clutch, and then be too late to throw to second. Or, as I've seen far too many times to count, F3 is just going to sail the ball into right field because he didn't actually check first to see if F4 had arrived.
  8. haha - I promise you, he said those exact words. Imagine Strother Martin in Cool Hand Luke..."what we have here is a...classic case of obstruction" - that was this guy. Even the two base coaches were shaking their heads, couldn't believe the gift they just received.
  9. That's the point, as illustrated in the rest of the post that follows that statement. Defense isn't going to throw to F6 at second (most times), they're gonna throw to first...or, at the very least, gonna want to throw to first, and sometimes they'll throw the ball before even noticing that F4 got held up.
  10. Happened in a game I was watching. R1 with two out, ground ball hit to F4 - ball is fielded about 20 feet to the right of 2B, right on the path between first and second - runner is less than ten feet from F4. This is 12/13 yo level. F4 turns away from the runner, because that's what they do at that age. And runs to second base to touch the bag. So for that 20 feet you have F4 running to second not even looking at the runner, and R1 following by about three feet - R1 is faster than F4 and slows up rather than try to go around F4, avoid the tag and get to the base. Ump calls OBS. Coach argues that F4 had the ball, simply chose to tag the base rather than the runner. Umpire called it "a classic case of obstruction". Who's right?
  11. With two outs it's almost automatic, especially at the lower levels, to just throw to first - R1 could be enticed to take the risk and hinder F4 covering first knowing full well that F1/F2/F3 are going to throw to first base 95% of the time, without even looking to second....this usually entails just throwing to first expecting F4 to be there and the ball sailing into right field...or cocking to throw, realizing F4 isn't there, double clutch and then being too late to throw to F6.
  12. As per a few responses above, R1 can be called for INT in this scenario. MC = Malicious Contact/Conduct
  13. And nevertheless 19 umps out of 20 will call BI if the catcher hits him on the follow through.
  14. Unless you can show intent on the runner's part???
  15. Letter of the rule vs spirit of the rule. As a coach I could work with an ump like you all day long.