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Everything posted by ElkOil

  1. Coaches jawing at each other

    To forgive culpability insinuates I was culpable in the first place. I was not. Nor are any of us culpable for the behaviors of anyone else. I can't make sense of assigning culpability to anyone but the two coaches in this scenario, nor are any of us responsible for the actions of others... whatever you may have rationalized to yourself.
  2. Coaches jawing at each other

    You haven't really become a party to anything that happens off the field. They're responsible for their actions, so they're on their own with that stuff. As long as the problems leave the field, that's the best we can hope.
  3. Runner Completely Misses First Base

    Sound logic. MadMax's question about when the ball became dead can give us some more clues about how this was handled. For example, if the runner passed the base and time was called before she returned, an unfair advantage was given to the defense. Time should be called only after the play is over since the baserunner is allowed to correct a mistake.
  4. Coaches jawing at each other

    By the time the exchange was heated, it was too late. If you saw something weird before that, nip it by telling them it won't tolerated and perhaps warn them. That way, if something else does occur, you can quickly eject the offender. But when it got to where one coach was goading the other into a fight, that's got to be the end of his day at the field. Eject him. That cannot be tolerated and very few things go well once people reach that level of anger. I'm guessing these were father coaches who got entirely too wrapped up in their egos or whatever. But it was a game for 10 year old kids. Nothing more. I take it the tournament director didn't do anything, which given stories I've heard isn't a surprise. You'll have to rely on your game management abilities.
  5. No-Call Zone

    Making up your own rules, guidelines and judgments is no way to umpire. You don't have the authority to create these no-call zones. You are paid to be the arbiter of the rules others have created -- your duty is to learn and enforce them appropriately. Making calls using your method is problematic at best. Coach: Hey why didn't you call obstruction?! You: Coach, that happened in the no-call zone. Coach: That WHAT?! You: The no-call zone or "NCZ" for short. The area around the plate when the Batter and Catcher collide in a situation where neither player makes an intentional or unusual move that breaks up a play or causes the runner to fall, stumble, or slow. I judge there to be a “No-Call Zone” under every rules set I call. Coach: [Goes back to dugout shaking his head. Later calls your association and has you scratched for eternity. Drinks heavily in hopes of erasing the memory of your on-field explanation.]
  6. Use 1st names

    What do you tell people to call you? "Blue?" "Ump?" "Mister LRZ?" It's interesting to me that you're more comfortable with someone calling you generic titles instead of your own name that you've had your whole life. In my chapter they emphasize being approachable to high school players and coaches since the endeavor is primarily an educational one and we're there to officiate and help when we can. I introduce myself to everyone with my first name, though they rarely remember it. I'm with @Richvee and feel it's refreshing when they do. But as a matter of positive social interaction, like anywhere else in my life, I introduce myself by name. Whether anyone uses it or not is a different story.
  7. Interference

    This is one we'd have to see to make a determination. Contact can be incidental and not warrant an interference call.
  8. Third strike not caught by the catcher...yet.

    FED 2-28-4: A pitch ends when the pitched ball: a. is secured by the catcher, b. comes to rest, c. goes out of play, d. becomes dead, e. or the batter hits the ball (other than a foul tip). I'd say no to your wonderment since an uncaught third strike isn't considered caught when F2 picks it up, so it doesn't matter whose glove it winds up in. It's still an uncaught third strike. I'm sure someone will prove how wrong I am in 3... 2... 1...
  9. Glove dislodged from fielder

    Luckily, you don't have to define a catch since FED has already done it for you: A catch is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a live ball in flight and firmly holding it, provided he does not use his cap, protector, mask, pocket or other part of his uniform to trap the ball. The catch of a fly ball by a fielder is not completed until the continuing action of the catch is completed. A fielder who catches a ball and then runs into a wall or another player and drops the ball has not made a catch. A fielder, at full speed, who catches a ball and whose initial momentum carries him several more yards after which the ball drops from his glove has not made a catch. When the fielder, by his action of stopping, removing the ball from his glove, etc., signifies the -initial action is completed and then drops the ball, will be judged to have made the catch. The same definition of a catch would apply when making a double play. It is considered a catch if a fielder catches a fair or foul ball and then steps or falls into a bench, dugout, stand, bleacher or over any boundary or barrier, such as a fence, rope, chalk line, or a pregame determined imaginary boundary line from the field of play. Falling into does not include merely running against such object. (See 2-24-4 for fielder juggling ball and 8-4-1c for intentionally dropped ball; 2-16-2 and 5-1-1d for ball striking catcher before touching his glove.) It is not a catch when a fielder touches a batted ball in flight which then contacts a member of the offensive team or an umpire and is then caught by a defensive player.
  10. Run scored on interference call

    I'm having trouble picturing the runner from 2B coming around prior to a throw from F2 to F3. But anyway, assuming this is a FED game: Rule 9 Scoring — Record Keeping SECTION 1 HOW A TEAM SCORES ART. 1 . . . A runner scores one run each time he legally advances to and touches first, second, third and then home plate before there are three outs to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the third out is made as follows: a. by the batter-runner before he touches first base So to directly address your question, no, this isn't equivalent to a force out. No run can score by rule.
  11. New Student-Ump

    Nice to have you! Like Maven said, catchers are good candidates for umpires, so you've got a good foundation to build on. Hopefully, your learning will never end and like any activity, there are endless opportunities to grow and improve. There's always something to work on, rules to learn, mechanics to improve and so forth. If you read this board regularly, you'll learn a ton.
  12. Runner interfering while on base

    You'd call interference. Intent is not relevant when determining if a player interfered. It's almost never a no-call.
  13. Obstruction Question

    Fair enough! ap·po·site ˈapəzət/ adjective apt in the circumstances or in relation to something. "an apposite quotation" synonyms: appropriate, suitable, fitting, apt, befitting; More
  14. Obstruction Question

    Here I go ramping up the Googler again. I swear... you and your vocabulary.
  15. Obstruction Question

    Award bases as your judgement dictates. The defense can then appeal the missed base and you'd rule accordingly.
  16. Fair or foul ball

    The umpire must judge where the ball was relative to the line when it was touched to determine fair or foul. So in your example, it was a foul.
  17. If this all escalated into a fight after the game, it was mishandled from the get-go. If the umpire kicked the player out of the dugout, assuming this was a high school game, that was a misapplication of the ejection rule, since any ejected player must remain in the dugout. If what you're conveying is accurate, there is so much wrong with how this was handled it can't be adequately addressed on this forum. Suffice to say that it seems the umpire has a lot to learn about game management and rules application. Problems like this must be dealt with early on so they don't escalate, and it needs umpires who are adept at seeing it for what it is so they can put a stop to it before it gets out of hand.
  18. New umpire instruction

    This post belonging in a different forum notwithstanding, I'll address the issue you raised. Like Maven said, we can't know your association's training practices, but I'll say this: I don't know anyone among us who thinks our associations give at least the right amount of training because most of our organizations are spread pretty thin. You're going to hit the field for the first time feeling under-prepared, and that's normal. That's why many of us take lots of scrimmages, then begin our careers in low-level ball like sub-varsity, rec league and below. We may spend years at these levels before moving up to varsity ball or college. The point is that your success is up to you. I recommend you take as many games as possible, ask questions, seek out criticism and listen with an open mind to what may be painful input, go to clinics outside your association, stink up some baseball games, make lots of mistakes, blow more than your share of calls, listen to parents and coaches holler at you, suck it up, get back on the field and become better for it. Use resources like this forum and become a true student of umpiring. Your journey is only beginning.
  19. NFHS Rules: Catcher's Helmet

    I would contend that a debate in the scientific community would hold more sway than a debate about the same subject in the umpiring community. Although we have lots of personal experiences, we're not a scientific body (understanding that individuals among us may certainly be scientists who have experience in this field). And I know guys like MadMax have studied this with great enthusiasm.
  20. NFHS Rules: Catcher's Helmet

    There's a debate? Huh. I musta missed it. I have no issue believing a helmet that covers the head offers better protection than one that doesn't. BUT don't blindly agree with me. Take a look at the scientific test methods NOCSAE uses to determine that headgear and related equipment is safe: http://nocsae.org/wp-content/files_mf/1458844362ND08114m15PneumaticRamTestMethod.pdf http://nocsae.org/wp-content/files_mf/1463597031ND01113m16MfrdProceduralGuideforQualityControlandSampleSelection.pdf http://nocsae.org/wp-content/files_mf/1490213565ND00115m17DropTestMethod.pdf http://nocsae.org/wp-content/files_mf/1490287310ND02112m17ProjectileImpactTestMethod.pdf http://nocsae.org/wp-content/files_mf/1514996961ND00117m17bDropTestMethod.pdf But I'm no physicist, so I don't understand all the math. I am, however, willing to take NOCSAE's word for it that if equipment passes these tests, they provide at least a decent degree of safety. And a better degree than other equipment -- like a traditional mask/helmet combo that doesn't pass these tests. If this isn't "definitive proof," it should be good enough.
  21. My Place To EJ?

    Yow, dude. EJ, EJ, EJ. Every day and twice on Sunday. I don't care who those comments are directed to, it can't be tolerated. In HS ball, profanity is explicitly addressed in the FED rules. Since this is happening with some frequency, I agree with the others who advocate pre- and post-gaming this. Dump enough people who behave inappropriately and one, it'll stop. Two, the next time they see you, I'm betting they'll be better behaved. I know how difficult it is to be a younger guy in a position of authority. Just remember that the biggest hurdle to overcome isn't other people's perceptions of you, but your perception of yourself. You're the paid professional umpire who has been hired to uphold the rules and integrity of the game, regardless of your age or your age relative to anyone else. Embrace that role and have fun with it. It's a real confidence-builder.
  22. My Place To EJ?

    I'm curious about the types of comments and how frequently you see this happen. I haven't really noticed much of this in the few years I've been umpiring and would like to know about your experiences.
  23. NFHS Rules: Catcher's Helmet

    No, I've never had the argument because there is none to be had. The rule is explicit. And no, I've never received clarification from anyone because none is required. If someone argues the point, it's because they don't know the rule.
  24. NFHS Rules: Catcher's Helmet

    From F3's web site on the the product page for the HSM: "The Defender Hockey Style Mask meets NOCSAE® standard, and able to be used at all levels of baseball with confidence." http://www.force3progear.com/product/defender-hockey-style-mask/
  25. I don't get this interpretation

    No, not till the END of time, but until SOME time. The language in the interp is explicit and excludes a transfer. To be clear, I agree with you, but in looking at how the interp is written, it's contrary to what you're saying. It's also like the example in the FED rules book about a fielder catching a fly ball, then running into a fence and dropping it.