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  1. Many, MANY years ago, I was working with an older veteran partner, and we had this play. I was BU, and R1 went nearly to the outfield grass in order to take out the pivot man. I called R1 out, called the interference and the BR out as well. After the game my partner told me I shouldn't have made that call, as it was his responsibility. I asked "if I hadn't made the call, would you have made it?" He said "No, because I'm too far away, not a great angle, and the pitcher in the way." I (little more than a rookie at the time) then asked "why, then do all the mechanics manuals say that's the plate guy's call?" His response was classic "I don't think anybody actually wants us to make that call. The take-out slide is part of the game."
  2. Fair/Foul

    The position of the BALL at the MOMENT it is FIRST touched is the ONLY thing that matters on this play as described.
  3. RUNNER ATTEMPTING TO KNOCK BALL OUT OF GLOVE

    Pure judgment. Based on what I see on that clip, I'd not be inclined to charge INT if F2 had lost control of the ball...but I wouldn't be shocked to get an argument from DC.
  4. Catcher not in control of mask

    Did you consider having an 'off-the record' chat with his coach between innings? "Hey Skip, can you work with Joey on the way he removes his mask? He's killing me back there." Unless coach is a total douchebag, he'll probably cooperate.
  5. Batted ball?

    Yup, definitely sdrawkcab. Note to self; don't mix vodka with pain meds.
  6. Batted ball?

    I don't think we REALLY disagree here at all. Perhaps I just wasn't thinking 'outside the box' enough to consider all the possible scenarios. From the very beginning, I could only imagine the bat being in foul ground...heck, where else could a bat be when tossed from home plate toward the dugout? And, yes, I suppose that the fair/foul position of the bat (in and of itself) doesn't really matter, EXCEPT, that if the ball hit the bat in foul ground the ball obviously crossed the foul line..in which case; with runners on base it's a balk, with no runners its a ball (ball four according to OP). I never considered the other scenarios you, correctly pointed out; the bat being dropped in front of home, etc. So, yes, my position would change in that case...but that's not the way I read the OP. Sure, batter drops bat in front of home plate where it is hit by errant pitch bouncing or rolling toward plate...that ball would be in play, and judged fair or foul just the same as it the bat had still been in batter's hands.
  7. Batted ball?

    We're arguing over nothing. Better close this thread before I say something that gets me banned.
  8. Batted ball?

    I keep going back to the OP. "Batter tosses his bat toward dugout..." Hard for me to imagine how a bat tossed from home plate toward the dugout could be anywhere BUT outside the foul line. Even harder to imagine how that bat could be considered anything OTHER than part of the field....as described in OP.
  9. Batted ball?

    Yes, beerbuy55 and Rich Ives...I should have been more careful in my wording. Whether an attempt to put ball in play, OR attempt to interfere with a ball in play, EITHER would certainly require intent. From my reading of the OP, I didn't see anything that led me to believe that there was any intent. The OP says "batter tosses bat toward dugout and starts strolling toward first"
  10. Batted ball?

    Certainly correct...but I believe I covered that in the final line of my post. If I judged INTENT, either to interfere OR to offer at the pitch, I'd rule differently. By my reading of the OP, there was no mention of intent.
  11. Batted ball?

    I believe that once it leaves the batter's hands and is no longer under his control, the bat is just part of the field. The OP does not say if there are runner(s) on base. If we have runner(s) the ball in LIVE until touched by the defense (BALK) or crosses base line (BALL)...regardless of when/where it touched the discarded bat. If no runner(s); I've got ball four AND a LIVE ball regardless of contact with discarded bat. Of course, this would all change if I believed the batter tossed the bat where he did with intent to interfere with the ball...highly doubtful.
  12. Top Three Stupid Arguements of 2017

    Just remembered another that certainly could have made the list: I'm on the plate, line drive down RF line prob would have scored 2 runs except it was foul by about a foot. 3BC: How can you call that foul? Everybody in the ballpark could see the chalk fly. Me: That wasn't chalk, Skip. It must have been dust or sand. 3BC; 200 feet away and you can tell chalk from dust? Me: Those lines aren't chalk, they're painted.
  13. Walk off walk

    Here's my $.02 worth. The run scored as a result of a wild pitch, and has nothing to do with the base on balls....therefore I could not care less what the batter does. Game over.
  14. Top Three Stupid Arguements of 2017

    With the season winding down, I thought I'd post the TOP THREE DUMBEST ARGUEMENTS I have heard this year (NOT including the usual suspects...hands are part of bat, etc) 3. DC: "But an infield fly is automatically a dead ball." 2. OC: "If a players requests TIME you MUST grant his request." 1. OC: Hey, Blue; Courtesy runner for my catcher. ME: But there's nobody on base. OC: That's my catcher batting. Can't I run for him? ME: Sure you can, AFTER he gets on base. OC; So I can't sub him out NOW? ME: If you had an available sub (which I knew he did NOT) you could pinch-hit for him. OC; No, you don't understand. I want HIM to hit, but someone ELSE to run. ME; Come on, Skip. Certainly you know you can't do that. OC; But once he reaches, then I CAN run for him? ME: Yes. Batter hits one to gap in RC. As he's turning the corner at first, OC start's shouting "TIME. TIME. Courtesy runner for my catcher!" ME; (sigh)
  15. Ump Ejects Himself

    http://www.southernminn.com/st_peter_herald/opinion/article_4fc2fb34-d082-5283-9da3-07847f9e4d39.html
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