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  1. What exactly did the batter do for you to get BI, Mr. NavyBlue? I ask because FED actually has some guidelines for judging batter's interference during a steal of third: 2023 NFHS case book play 7.3.5 Situation E: With less than two outs, R2 on second and B2 at the plate, R2 attempts to steal third. In the process, B2, who bats right-handed, after swinging or not swinging at the pitch (a) makes no attempt to get out of the way of F2 throwing to third or (b) is unable to make an attempt to get out of the way of F2 throwing to third. As a result, F2 cannot make a play on the runner. Is B2 out, and must R2 return to second? Ruling: B2 is not guilty of interference in (a) or (b). B2 is entitled to a position in the batter's box and is not subject to being penalized for interference unless B2 moves or re-establishes a position after F2 has received the pitch, which then prevents F2 from attempting to play on a runner. Failing to move so F2 can make a throw is not batter interference.
  2. Mr. JMGotts, the text shown in the video you posted is taken from the Major League Baseball Umpire Manual (MLBUM). It is one example of 14 obstruction and interference plays. The exact same play can be found in the 2021 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (MiLBUM): Play 1: Runner on first base; batter-runner gets into a rundown between home and first. Can obstruction be called going back to home? Ruling 1: No, unless the obstruction is intentional. NOTE: In situations where the batter-runner gets into a rundown between first and home, if the batter-runner retreats and reaches home plate, he shall be declared out. For FED, there is a current case play that tells us the same thing: 8.1.1 Situation A The NCAA actually covers this in its rule 7-11p Note 3.
  3. From the 2021 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 5.2, p. 52): ...When holding a runner on at first or third base, a fielder sometimes positions one foot in foul territory. Though no penalty is specified in the Official Baseball Rules, the umpire shall instruct the fielder to position both feet in fair territory if brought to his attention. From that point in the game, strict enforcement shall apply for both teams...
  4. From the 2023 NFHS rule book rule 3-1-1: ...Projected substitutions are not allowed... You may find these case plays helpful: 3.1.1 Situation E 3.1.2 Situation C
  5. From the 2021 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 5.41, p. 69): The exception to Rule 5.09(b)(4) prohibits the batter-runner from being tagged out for overrunning or oversliding first base if he immediately returns to the base. However, once the batter-runner returns to first base safely after overrunning/oversliding the base, he is no longer protected from being tagged out if he subsequently loses contact with the base.
  6. From the 2016 BRD (section 541, p. 353): Note 505: You must understand, though, that reversing a call from "fair" to "foul" causes no rules problem. You'll face an argument, but the changed call will not affect the outcome of the play. That is true whether fielders or runners reacted to an initial "point" toward fair territory. If the ball is subsequently ruled foul, simply order the batter back to the box--and any runners back to bases occupied TOP...
  7. The first written baseball rules are commonly called the Knickerbocker rules. Originally the way any runner was put out was to be in possession of the ball and step on the base the runner was advancing to. In 1848 the rule was changed to just apply that method to first base. I believe the definition of a force play came along in the 1860s. So retiring the batter-runner at first base by just stepping on the base has never been considered a force out.
  8. Deleted--somehow was duplicated.
  9. No, first base is not a force out base. It doesn't meet the definition so a force cannot be reestablished--in addition, a batter-runner is never considered to occupy home plate. We had a similar discussion a long time ago and to be honest I was shouted down then. The consensus then was the same as it appears to be now that the runner can be put out simply by stepping on first. Not a whole lot is written about this kind of play but I did post the following in the old thread: 2017 Jaksa/Roder manual (p. 47): A batter-runner who advances to first base and then retreats to the home plate side of first base can be tagged out while off the base. We already have a rule in place--if a runner attains a base and chooses to leave the safety of the base he is then in jeopardy of being tagged out.
  10. Item B is covered in rule 4-1-3 and 4-4-1f Note 1: ...Each team's lineup card shall list a minimum of nine players to start the game... Item C is covered in rule 4-1-3b and its following Penalty: Please note that rule 4-1's header reads: Starting a Game
  11. It has happened a few times at Wrigley Field when one ball went in and two popped out. It has also been rumored that players have stashed an extra ball in the ivy for emergency use.
  12. I remember a discussion we had about a lodged batted ball in a 2019 NLDS game. The ball was never out of sight and it was easily reachable for the fielder. The batter finished with a triple but it was decided after the play that the ball was lodged and sent the batter-runner back to second base. The defense gained an advantage but that is not a factor in the decision. Mr. maven, how do you know that the ball that bounced out of the ivy was the actual game ball that entered the ivy a split second earlier?
  13. The FED definition of the term "lodged" was added to rule 2-4 as 2-4-4 in 2023. And it was fairly recently that they changed their interpretation of a ball being lodged in a glove remaining live--I think it was in 2019. None of my rules manuals say anything about the lodged-ball rule is designed to protect the defense. So could you please provide a citation, Mr. maven. I always thought it was a penalty for the defense because they let the ball go out of play. Getting back to the new definition of "lodged", the part right after the text you cited as evidence the pitch in the OP wasn't really lodged seems to apply. The ball didn't fall or roll immediately. Even though the catcher was able to retrieve the ball rather quickly, it was by definition lodged.
  14. Here's a relevant rule to start things-- FED rule 2-4-2: ...The batter must go immediately to first base before time-out is called. Also see case play 2.4.2 SITUATION.
  15. A careful reading of FED rule 6-2-4b tells us that all that is required by rule on a feint is the step toward the base. The official interpretation from FED rules interpreter B. Elliot Hopkins does not change the definition of "feint" found in rule 2-28-5. You are misconstruing the meaning. Here's how it should be construed-- A feint is a movement... which simulates the start of a pitch or (the start of a) throw to a base It's the difference between the meaning of the two conjunctions--"and" "or"
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