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  1. Yes ... I realize the FED book, like the MLB (OBR) book, does state clearly that a coach may not object to a judgment call. Traditionally, we let them bark and even delay the game shortly to object to a judgment call as long as they leave when we tell them to. We all have an unwritten rule that you just can't argue balls and strikes. In MLB, the tradition goes so far as to state that as long as the batter and/or catcher don't turn and look at the PU, they can actually say quite a bit without penalty, but turn around, face the PU and argue, and you're usually gone. SO ... now I'm hearing that there is also an unwritten rule that a coach may not argue a balk call (except ask the question what did he do, and he's entitled to an explanation on the step balk). QUESTION: Who enforces this is HS? I get all the time: Coach: "What did he do?" Me: "No stop, coach. Blew through the stop." Coach: "He stopped the same way he always does!" Now ... I want to know who would restrict a coach to the dugout for this — a blatant argument of a non-step balk. My guess is no one. My guess is you would all do what I do the first time. "Coach, I didn't see a stop — it has to be complete and discernible. Now please ... we're not arguing. Let's play ball.
  2. I know what the FED Umpire's Manual Says, and I know what the CAA Manual says ... but I still have a hard time following its protocol on these common plays at 1B when U1 is in B or C. I have partners who, despite the manuals' protocol, feel (as I do) that if my call on a pulled foot or swipe tag would be an absolute guess ... a coin flip ... then we should point to the UIC immediately, in real time, and either ask, "DID HE HOLD IT?" or 'DID WE HAVE A TAG?" in real time. This, of course, should be pre-gamed. My reasons for agreeing with this method is that "guessing" and calling the runner out can hinder his opportunity to advance if the right scenario's presented. "Guessing," and calling the runner safe, can confuse and hinder the defense and cause other runners to advance unfairly. Ex 1: R1. 0 outs. Fed Game. U1 in B. B2 hits grounder to F6, who bobbles it, decides to throw across, and I see F3 lunge right toward me as he scoops the ball. No question - the ball beat the runner, but I just have no angle to know whether he came off the bag. "OUT!" is my call — a pure guess. Meanwhile, R1 has rounded 2B and is heading for 3B. F3 throws wildly across to F5 and the ball goes to the fence and R1 comes all the way around to score. When the dust settles, the offensive HC asks if I can get help on the play at 1B. I ask, and my partner says, "I had him OFF the bag clearly," and I change the call to safe. Now the batter-runner is probably penalized two bases for initially being called out, because of what happened on the ensuing play/overthrow. He very likely would have ended up on 3B. At the very least, 2B. Do we have a mandate, if we change the call, to use judgment to advance the batter-runner to where we think he would have ended up? Ex 2: R1. 0 outs. Fed Game. U1 in B. B2 hits grounder to F6, who bobbles it, decides to throw across, and I see F3 lunge right toward me as he scoops the ball. No question - the ball beat the runner, but I just have no angle to know whether he came off the bag. "SAFE!" is my call — a pure guess. Meanwhile, R1 has rounded 2B and is heading for 3B. F3 throws across to F5 and R1 slides in safely. Batter-Runner has taken off for 2B. F5 then throws wildly to F4 covering, and the ball ends up in RF. R1 scores easily. Batter-Runner ends up at 3B. When the dust settles, the defensive HC asks if I can get help on the play at 1B. I ask, and my partner says, "I had him ON the bag clearly," and I change the call to out. Now, the defense is penalized because of all the ensuing plays that allowed R1 to score, when, if the call were correct to begin with, never would have happened. Do we have a mandate, if we change the call, to use judgment to send R1 back to 3B?
  3. Unbelievable. UN-F***-ING BELIEVABLE. There ought to be a law against know-it-alls on this forum who've never umpired a game. Seriously.
  4. Rich, your second question is stupid, and therefore I won't answer it. If you think a good umpire is going to focus more highly on the bat than the other 23 responsibilities he has ... as to never miss an illegal bat coming in the box ... then you're sorely ignorant. You probably aren't aware that there is actually a priority list ... written in the OBR book ... since especially in two-man, there is just no way everything can be caught. Yes ... once in a while a good umpire is going to let an illegal bat slip by ... and your ignorance or arrogance comes out by the way you state the question. "The ump didn't notice and stop him before he got into the box?" No, Rich ... he didn't notice ... and the walls came crumbling down ...
  5. I'm glad for this Forum, because I shall just vent a bit without being flamed by ... well ... the flamers. 8 or 9 years ago, I had a son playing 13-year-old travel ball on a HS feeder team. We made it to the Champ Game, but were clearly outmatched. The UIC of the game (with whom I had worked for 4 or 5 years ... the man has since passed away), was a miserable man, and only seemed happy when someone was made miserable. It was in the late innings of the game, our team was down by several runs, and we had that situation where the other team's catcher made the last out and no backup catcher was ready to warm up the pitcher. So, the UIC, in his hateful attitude yelled, "Let's GO!!! Get a catcher out here!!!" at the other team's bench. They were already past the point of no return, so the closest Asst Coach stepped out of the dugout and called back to him, "We won't take any warm up pitches." Everyone of us heard what he said, thought it sounded reasonable, and didn't think a thing of it. Before we knew what happened, the UIC threw out the AC ... on the grounds that he "mouthed off" about getting a catcher out on the field. When the HC and AC both came out to question the UIC ... we actually heard them saying, "Mr. Blue ... we were just saying we'll speed things along by not taking warm ups!" he held his ground. Then with no warning, he yelled, "That's a Forfeit! Visiting Team Wins!" Not even his two partners would cooperate and they refused to leave the field. The HC then asked, "If my AC agrees to leave the park, will you resume the game?" and the UIC said, "he has 30 seconds. So, the AC left and went to the parking lot. I can tell you, as a coach for most of these boys, NONE of them would have wanted the CHAMP trophy by winning on a forfeit. My own son later said, "I would have just refused to accept the trophy at the ceremony ... I thought the whole thing was fine with Mr. Duane (AC on the other team). What FLOORED me was I realized that several of our PARENTS were both excited to think we had just won by forfeit, and then disappointed that it was waved off. 9 outs later, the game was over, and the better team won. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * So jump ahead, 9 years, all those boys are now finishing college, and I'm calling a 12u Champ game last Sunday. The winning coach had been a thorn in my side all day, but we were able to shake hands and get through it each time. Now, on a banger at home plate, he lost it. He insisted that I didn't know a particular slide rule, and that I was "screwing" his team. After he refused to leave the field, I ejected him. He still would not leave, and his assistants wouldn't intervene. I gave him 60 seconds before I would forfeit the game, when the TD showed up and walked him out. The TD came right back and said, "I'm gonna let him stay in the dugout. Don't worry, he won't say another word. (I took this to mean that the TD would babysit him and throw him out if he did say a word. I challenged the TD, and he bowed up and told me it's his way or the highway, and they'll finish the game without me if need be. (My partner would have walked.) I went to the opposing coach, explained that I was between a rock and a hard place, that as far as I'm concerned, the game is over, and it's 6-0 forfeit, but I assume he would rather let the boys play than take a meaningless championship. Just like what happened 9 years earlier, he balked. I could tell he wanted me to forfeit the game, let my partner walk with me, and take the trophy. He finally reluctantly stated, ""Yeah, let's just play." I ask, rhetorically, what the hell is wrong with these parents? Who wants to win by forfeit? The 12-yr-old boys certainly don't. They want to win it on the field or ditch the meaningless trophy. I confronted the TD the next day and to his credit, he took the wind out of my sails by saying he was wrong, he should have made the HC leave the park, he didn't think in the heat of the moment that was right, but the results were disheartening. The HC in question continued to coach the game from the dugout, mouth off at both officials, complain, and the TD had to leave the dugout to attend to his other duties. Back to the question at hand. Why are the parents showing less class than the prepubescent boys? Why would a trophy won on a forfeit mean a damned thing to the parents? The team who should have lost by forfeit ended up blowing out the opponent, and it was just a sad situation all around. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This will NEVER happen again, because I've shown the TD in the rule book every possible reference to a warning, and an ejection, the protocol, the TD's involvement, the time limits for vacating the field, etc. etc. etc. So that's good. BUT — the lingering question of how a 40-year-old coach would want the tainted victory for his boys (who would not want it) slays me. ANY FEEDBACK WOULD BE APPRECIATED EVEN IF YOU'RE IN COMPLETE DISAGREEMENT.
  6. And anyone who gives the FED Editorial Committee (really????) ANY credit for consistency, precision, all-inclusive logical thinking, fairness, etc. is merely kidding themselves. FED's a laughingstock of bumbling boobs. We see case after case of rules and casebook plays contradicting each other, strange made-up new rules that have no apparent logic — not even for a safety concern, it's frustrating as hell. If the MLB rules committee is a 10 on the scale of 1-10, the NCAA rules committee is about a 9.7. FED is about a 3. The only really good stuff they come up with is what they steal from NCAA.
  7. Jon, It's worth learning some "shop talk" so you don't get confused by the way we designate runners on this forum. R1, R2, R3 represent Man on 1st, Man on 2nd, Man on 3rd, at TOP (Time Of Pitch). Only High School Rules have a different method, and since you seem to be unpoisoned by this, I shall leave you pure. Once a play begins, R1, R2, and R3 (or any subset that exists thereof) keep those designations until the play ends. In other words, when R1 rounds 2nd and heads for 3rd, he doesn't suddenly change his name to R2 ... he's still R1 ... and even if he scores, he would be referred to as R1 who scored from 1B.
  8. And welcome to Umpire-Empire, Fred. Come back often. We use this particular forum primarily for beginners and coaches like you ... who have been a bit out of touch for a while and are getting re-acclimated. Excellent observation and excellent question.
  9. Lay off of him, Scrounge. This is the one forum for no flaming, sarcasm, or snarky remarks. Perhaps he's just learning the game. I'd be the same way on a hockey or soccer forum.
  10. As in a handful of Phlegm?
  11. I've seen this fluttering quite often, and I wouldn't describe it EVER as momentarily adjusting the ball (such as Jim Evans describes in his reknowned BALK video). It's frustrating to me, but I have to say I handled it as Maven suggested, although not with the same attitude.
  12. Anthony Rizzo was made to switch out his 1st Baseman's glove at least twice this year when Javi Baez assumed a position closer to 1B and Rizzo set up to charge the bunt. It was brilliant in the post season, as it was actually a pre-designed pickoff of R1 from F2 to F3 (Baez) and Rizzo got his glove back .....
  13. Rocket surgeons??? Now there's something ya don't hear every day ... or ever, actually ...
  14. Kinda like most people finally wear seat belts now ... not because they're smarter, but there are laws that are enforced with fines and points if they are disobeyed. RIDIC.
  15. Maven ... NEVER stop posting. EVER.
  16. Was this question even necessary?
  17. Another UWNSOH
  18. (Is, "The Hands Are Part Of The Bat" an apothegm?)
  19. I have no idea if you are in agreement with my argument, against my argument, or just expressing related scenarios. The OP assumes I have no idea if the F3 pulled his foot. Either I got an unfortunately bad angle, or I was blocked.
  20. No guidance in the PBUC with runners?
  21. I have never started a FED game below 40 degrees F. Tonight I have a game at 6pm that calls for 39 degrees and dry at game time. Considering all things — bats, balls, arms, knees, how cold is too cold to play? I realize I'm from a semi-warm area of the country and this may be a daily occurrence for many of you in the month of March.
  22. Any idea how long ago this was? The IBB is currently (and has been, for as long as I can recall) a standard FED rule ... not found in the back section of the Rules Book under, "Suggested Speed-Up Rules" which is page 64 in the 2017 edition.
  23. Isn't the intentional walk by announcement a speed-up rule? That's never been a "by state adoption" FED rule has it?
  24. OK. Your leagues are = to our Districts. And the number of District games is also about half of a team's regular season in Tennessee.