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Jimurray last won the day on November 12 2016

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  1. Where is the other thread? Anyway this newsclip shows the conference about the call. 20 minutes and two outside persons do not inspire confidence in what happened.
  2. And what would NFHS have to say about it? I believe they don't mind states modifying their rules in a non playing rule manner but I think they can vote to exclude a state from the rules committee for modifying playing rules. I don't know if they took action against Florida for their DH mod.
  3. And what does the Georgia HS Baseball Umpire Association (I'm guessing about the name) have to say about this?
  4. "split crew" presents the problem, or a chapter or members of a chapter that don't prepare or just a brainfart or snake in the grass that tripped the rotating ump.
  5. In 4 man I've seen, and I think my association requires, a U1 pivot on a normal rotation with no one on and U3/U2 goes out. It seems to be a backup if U3/U2 does not come in when the other goes out. After the pivot, U1 goes home if needed and I guess, takes 2B if needed and U2/U3 did not make it to 2B. Good idea? Doesn't seem to delay any coverage of HP. Would you not do this if you could see U2/U3 doing what they are supposed to?
  6. I was at the game. When the camera panned away he gave a foul signal.
  7. Just found game on Youtube: Go to 5:10 for play which still leaves me a little confused, as was this crew regarding 4 man if you watch the whole game. But that confusion did not affect any of the plays in the game.
  8. I'm aware of the touching the ground criteria which did happen in the OP. My wording was questioning whether U3's call, as "an umpire", and not the correct umpire, could be overruled by the PU who I could not determine if he signaled anything. Mechanics wise it was the PU call and it should have been a demonstrative point fair based on the play. The foul signal by U3 was emphatic but ignored by the runner and by the time F5 retrieved the ball it did not matter if he reacted to the foul call (noise prevented me from hearing anything). Once relaxed U3 was still signaling foul and then time was called as the umps got together and reversed the foul and scored the run. I'm guessing the score mattered to the loser and prolonging the game was not in his interest, especially when the foul call was obviously in error. In a tighter game a knowledeable coach might have an issue with the reversal as per: 2.16.1 SITUATION A: On a count of 1-ball, 2-strikes, B1 hits a fly ball down the right-field line. While the ball is in the air, the umpire inadvertently declares ‘foul ball’; (a) F9 catches the ball in flight, (b) the ball falls to the ground in fair territory, (c) the ball falls to the ground in foul territory. RULING: (a) The batter is out and the ball remains live, (b) and (c) the ball is immediately dead as soon as it touches the ground; the batter returns to bat with a count of 1-2. Rule: 2.16.1 2.16.1 SITUATION B: On a count of 1-ball, 2-strikes, B1 hits a ground ball down the third-base line and the umpire inadvertently declares “foul ball.” F5 fields the ball in fair territory and throws to F3. RULING: The ball is dead immediately once it hits the ground; B1 returns to bat with a count of 1-2. MLB just had a PU overule a double call, incorrectly I might add. But I don't see wording in FED about if differing calls are made the PU will make a determination and I don't know if that could have been applied in this game.
  9. It might be dangerous if coaches send their corners in too far but what are you gonna do about F1 who is always 40 some odd feet away on any pitch.
  10. I'm talking about your response to @isired who as I envisioned, asked if a windup pitcher could step back toward the base he was not facing, depending on his stance, and then turn and pick off. So are you saying a windup pitcher can take a backwards step and the turn and pick or do you just have a semantic issue with @isired post?
  11. Uh no. Voted down almost every year in the LL congress.
  12. I think the " turn" in the MLBUM interp would not allow this but you are welcome to try that move in the real world. You are also welcome to argue it in this venue. Have you used a backwards step from the windup and pick successfully?
  13. Do not go to the twitter feed of the "offended" team. That will be Gils job.
  14. This play happened tonite and no one had a problem with it because it was a 10 run rule that the loser took as a reason to get out of town and live to fight another day. 10th run on 3B. 4 man crew. Grounder to 3B. Fair ball hits either F5's glove in front of the base or hits the base and bounces toward the 3B dugout. F5 chases it while R3 scores and U3 signals foul. Saw PU looking down the line but did not see a signal. Might have pointed fair or did a WTF but did not come up strong with a fair point. Umps get together and declare it fair, run scored, everyone goes home happy. So, given a little tighter game what do we have? "an ump called the ball foul" he poached the PU call. It's possible differing decisions were rendered on the play. But I don't see a FED rule about the PU ruling about different decisions in FED. They dodged a bullet as we all occassionally do.
  15. I've seen easy picks at 1B w/RHP and 3B w/LHP ignored by those pitchers in windup runner configurations in OBR leagues where no one knows the pitcher can pick from the windup.