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  1. jkumpire added a post in a topic Verbalizing "No Catch" on D3K Causes Problems   

    Sure, tonight or tomorrow I will give you my thoughts.
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  2. jkumpire added a post in a topic Now, this is a way to end the game!   

    According to my 2009 copy of the MLBUM (all I have), on p. 31, discussing 4.11 it says:
    "OBR (sic) 4.09.b provides that when the winning run is scored, as a result of a base on balls, hit batter, or any other play with the bases full that forces the runner on third to advance, the umpire shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has touched home base and the batter has touched third base." 
    I interpret that as saying the umpire can call the game over when both of those thing occur, as others have said above. In the game we are talking about the crew saw Cincinnati players walking off, nobody going for the ball, and so when both the batter and R3 advanced a base, that was it. You can see the PU see the touch and walk toward the dugout. Then the Cincinnati players get the ball from the field guy, whoever he is, appeal something at 2B, something at 1B, and something else at 3B. what they appealed I don;t know, and the crew is off the field when they did appeal, so I assume the crew used the note here to end the game, probably too soon, but used their interp. of 4.09 to get it right.  And Cincinnati did not protest officially so they bought it too.
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  3. jkumpire added a post in a topic Verbalizing "No Catch" on D3K Causes Problems   

    Gentlemen (and ladies if any are reading the thread),
    At this point I am a minority of one (or almost one) on this mechanic, and in spite of Jim Evans, supposedly what pro schools teach, or other clinics teach, I believe it is a bad mechanic. A dropped third strike is a unique and different situation that any other situation, including a fair hit line drive to an infielder that a verbal catch/no catch call has to made on. I've done a lot of games with dropped third strikes in them and the fact I have not vocalized that the ball was dropped has never caused a problem for any F2 or batter-runner, or base runner. 
    Unless someone wants for every detailed reason why I think it is bad, forgive me for not doing as the rest of you do, and if I get burned by it one day, so be it. Thank you for your kind responses to my disagreement with the mechanic, even if seemed irritable about it.  
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  4. jkumpire added a post in a topic Verbalizing "No Catch" on D3K Causes Problems   

    Frankly, I misstated this badly, and I apologize. In lower level games like HS and below, if F2 makes the play on a foul tip I will say "He's got it" as a courtesy to the batter so he knows he is out, because there have been times in my career when I have had batters turn around and ask me "why am I out, I fouled the ball off?" Instead of telling them after they ask the question, I say it quietly so on the batter and F2 know the ball was caught.
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  5. jkumpire added a post in a topic Verbalizing "No Catch" on D3K Causes Problems   

    Of course not Mid, and I explained that above. You are better than that, that has been a mechanic for a long with good reason. 
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  6. jkumpire added a post in a topic Old fashioned argument   

    No. the manager is trying to win the game and let his emotions go too far. It happens. Professional baseball people know that they are doing in situations like this as opposed to lower levels who just fly off the handle and have no idea how to argue, dispute a call or when to get dumped when a team needs it. He earned his ejection, and next tiem they see each other it is likely water over the dam and forgotten.  
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  7. jkumpire added a post in a topic Verbalizing "No Catch" on D3K Causes Problems   

    Because you are involving yourself in a play as it is still going on. That is a live ball, not a dead ball, foul ball, or safe/out at a base where a call ends a play. A vocal 'he's got it' on a foul tip or tough catch of a pitch by F2 is proper, because an out has been made. On a passed ball/wild pitch a play is still going on, unless there is less than two out and 1B is occupied.
    On a wild pitch/passed ball with an attempted check swing the PU needs to verbalize if there is a swing or not, after that it is the job of F2 and Batter to recognize the play and make it.   
    Those are completed plays, not an uncompleted play, there is a difference.
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  8. jkumpire added a post in a topic Verbalizing "No Catch" on D3K Causes Problems   

    Completely different situation, you are dealing with a ball hit into fair territory where there is a big affect on any runners and the fielder making the play whether it is caught or not.. With an uncaught strike three you have no effect on any runner other the the batter-runner, or R3 if there is a force play at the plate with 2 out. 
    Of course we do not say fair ball, no should we verbalize a dropped 3rd strike for the same reason we don't say fair ball, because the play is still alive.    
    From what I see the PU is saying that's a swing on the pitch, has nothing to do with the dropped third strike. 
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  9. jkumpire added a post in a topic Verbalizing "No Catch" on D3K Causes Problems   

    I have worked with recent pro school grads who did not use this mechanic.
    Are we going to start verbalizing "Fair Ball" on hits down the line? I have never seen or heard this in an MLB game either.
    This is an awful mechanic, and while I try very hard to use the latest mechanics I'll never do this., 
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  10. jkumpire added a post in a topic Verbalizing "No Catch" on D3K Causes Problems   

    With all due respect, when did vocalizing 'no catch' on strike three become and accepted mechanic? It is not correct to do IMO.
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  11. jkumpire added a topic in Situations   

    Could I be Superman?
    After my last topic I wanted to wrote about something good...
    Working an adult league winner's bracket semi, tough well-played game, and only 1 ejection. Both F2's were great, I wish I had them all year.
    I am on the plate, and have already been hammered once by a foul ball, no big deal. Bottom 4th, and I'm in the slot, fast ball from F1 hits the plate, gets by F2 and gets me in the upper thigh, too close for comfort. All of a sudden my partner who is in B is cracking up.
    After the game he is trying to find something to laugh at after dumping losing team's HC. He says "you took a cup shot."
    "Well, no not really, it was close but--"
    "Don't lie, yes you did. F4 saw it it hit you and he said 'Wow he didn't do anything after getting hit, he must have b****s of steel!'"
    I think I am a good umpire, but never realized I am Superman.
    Will work on jumping tall buildings tomorrow.  

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  12. jkumpire added a post in a topic [Brief] Crisis of Confidence   

    There are two and only two ways to evaluate your performance at a baseball game:
    1. Serious evaluation from someone you trust who knows what they are doing.
    2. The Mirror Test. Since you had no real evaluator there the only test that matters to you is the mirror test. Look yourself in the mirror and ask the face you see "Did I give 100% effort today and do my best today that I could possibly do umpiring that game?" If you answer yes, then great, you did a fine job and let the people who are biased about your work fade away into nothingness. You can't change their minds and they don't matter anyway. The only person you can control is you and your performance. 
    3. If you fail the mirror test ask yourself why. Answer the question and don't do it again! Sounds like to me you did a good job, the players made it an ugly game, not you.
    4. Ignore everything you hear from a dugout unless it includes the word 'you' and certain other words not appropriate for adults to use after it.
    You did a good job in your game, but if you are tired and worn out from the season, take a day or two off and recharge! .  
    BTW have fun beating Ohio State again this season.
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  13. jkumpire added a post in a topic 3-man "A" with runner on 1st   

    All that matters is that you get the call right and handle your responsibilities BillKen. Do what you need to do, and discuss it after the game. Listen to your plate partner, then ignore him.
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  14. jkumpire added a post in a topic Extreme Ugliness   

    Just to update: 
    Those things stick with players. I was on the plate for the championship game with the same two teams. Hot shot up the middle and F1 looks like he is hurt as he falls down as the ball goes past. I go out to check on him as the manager does, also to see if this is a injury visit or not. F1 tells manager, "I had a flashback to yesterday when he hit the ball, so I dove out of the way." 
    The last it happened before this was four years ago in a D3 game, F1 took a rope in the eye and he was out cold for at least five minutes. That was even uglier than this. He eventually sat up before the ambulance came but I am not sure he ever returned to the same area code he was playing that night. I was in B and the moment the ball left the bat I knew he was in trouble. When the ball hit him his head snapped back and he fell in a heap, blood all over the place. 
    Game three was great, home team left tying and winning run on base in bottom of the last inning, after scoring two the pull within 8-7. Just feel awful for the F1 and the kid Mid Am Ump wrote about.
    Elk, I was an athletic trainer in college and had a couple of emergency situations, including a life-threatening one I helped to handle. But just like during a game, you have to keep your cool and do your job. Our job is to umpire, and let coaches and medical people do theirs. My partner and I had a good talk about it today.
    ( Totally unrelated) To top it all off, my partner and I left the first game to go to another one about 3 hours later. Team A is down 5-1 at the time, and they pinch hit bonehead for a player. He swings at the first pitch, loses his bat behind him and it hits me in the mask and head. I didn't flinch, I tracked the ball until after it hit the bat. Jaw still hurts. Hitter apologized two or three times, and I finally said "if you have not met yet, let me introduce you to Mr. Pine Tar; he's a good man to get to know."  
    "I hate that stuff, never use it" he replied. Jaw is still sore 4 hours later.
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  15. jkumpire added a topic in Situations   

    Extreme Ugliness
    Some of you might be aware of AAABA Baseball, an old League/National Tournament structure started By Glenn L. Martin after the end of WW II. He was, of course, the owner of the aircraft Company that designed and built lots of planes during the war, and is now part of the defense contractor Martin-Marietta. . 
    It is a league/tournament designed for players under 21 (like 16-20) meaning it is filled with young college players. Their national tournament is in Johnstown PA, where they put over 10000 paying in the seats for the opener and they use wood bats and OBR. I was working the bases in a 2-man in regional game when the ugliest thing in baseball happened. F1 pumps a heater down the middle, 5 hole hits a rocket that drills F1 just above the eye, my plate man thinks. It was awful listening to F1 scream "I can't see" and cry as we killed the play when BR made 1B. the Eye closed immediately, we cleared players out of the way for coaches and 1st responders to work, and it was 10-15 minutes before a squad showed up. A couple guys thought he got a glove on it, I and my partner thought he just missed deflecting it with his glove. At least he was in a sound position after the follow-through, I wish more F1's were. 
    The last report I heard was F1 never lost consciousness, has no signs/symptoms of a concussion, they got his eye to open up, and it looks like he only has cuts and fractures of some bones around the eye. I hope the guy can resume his college career when the injury heals, he's a nice kid with a solid D2/D3 arm, good stuff.
    As an umpire the only thing we can do is kill the play ASAP. In HS or lower, kill it immediately and award bases as appropriate. Then you sort out players, keep them a distance from the hurt player as others work on them, and supervise both dugouts. When he leaves new F1 gets all the time he needs to warmup, and team in the field gets the same chance. My young partner was sort of upset, it's hard to be helpless at times, but you just stay out of the way. Both teams handled the situation well, and they come back tomorrow for a trip to the national tournament. Ought to be a great game, teams are pretty close in ability.
    All of us as umpires are fortunate to work this game, and we are so very fortunate to have so many young men and kids play it. Every time I walk on a field I ask God to give us His grace and protect both sides. Prayers worked today. This is the third time in my career I have seen this happen, I hope you never have it happen in a game you do. 
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