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  1. Yep. He was trying to plant that seed. He was also trying to show his team he had their backs by staying as long as he could get away with. They have no idea many times what the coach is saying but perception is reality or seeing is believing.
  2. Just remember the old verbal judo works both ways. Some coaches do a darn good job of verbal judo with the umpires, and understand how to use the tactics of strictly working (think Billy Packer in Basketball terminology here) the officials/umpire or holding up/delaying the game, i.e., a strategy within itself. Sometimes you would not be looking for something else that might be happening. And the right hand is always watching what the left hand is doing as is obvious by the other coach chirping about the delay. That can also be a way of working the official, chirping about anything the other guy is doing. Mind games within themselves that umpires have to deal with, even the D1 guys and the D1 on the Super (whatever those actually are) Conferences, which all come under game management and situation handling skills. Remember, even the best are not immune from having something pulled over on them from time to time. In one sense, a lot of sports are games of "momentum" at times if you want to believe in the momentum theory, a theory unto itself. The coach could have just been trying to freeze the opponents pitcher a little bit or play head games about working the inside of the plate. If he was quickly trying to get a reliever into the game the next inning, talking to you about how bad his team is playing could be a way of getting the reliever some more time in the bull pen, because his offense has been having quick innings or giving his pooped out starter more time between innings. His comments could be thought of as having implied/inferred, very sneakily I might add, that you and your partners and other umpires were being cheaters and questioning your integrity because they are a bad team and that is the reason you do not give him the borderline calls. If they were a good team you would have given his batter the HBP. So, you make your calls, not on what they honestly really are in your judgment, but on how well a team plays ball, in essence saying you cheat for the better team, but not accusing you of being a homer. Billy Martin/Earl Weaver were always pining for the next call. And, have you ever been on a golf course and hit a really long shot into the rough. You went where you honestly saw the ball landed to you. You were looking 25 yards ahead of where your partner found the ball. How about the other way around. You were looking 25 yards short of where your partner found the ball. It's the same theory with time. Some things seem like only 30 seconds, but you spent 3 minutes discussing. Some things seem like 3 minutes and it was only 30 seconds. In the heat/or controversy of the moment, time is not your friend each and every time. And, if you had of deferred any conversation to between innings, make sure the coach does not distract you from his pitchers warm up count, to try and get extra's in/8 pitches or whatever, and hold the inning up from starting. Good luck.
  3. Doesn't look like you to the right. Are you sure that is not some local ball boy from your High School games that you hired for snow removal?
  4. More of a comment on the under the microscope situation and the perception is reality situation for Joe's crew. That situation shows the perpetual problem of MLB to be reactive (let sleeping dogs lie until we have to deal with it, or basically the it will never happen theory) with the rules, rather than being proactive on a rule and making a change before it happens in a major situation, which it did. And not having umpires on the committee back then did not help IMHO. However, isn't it amazing what 1 crotchety old geezer/miser/cheap skate/ can get put into the rules by being on the rules committee. And there had been upheld cases on this that we are not privy to. you can go up and down in the pages below. https://books.google.com/books?id=xpJpGrFHViQC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=calvin+griffith+on+official+baseball+rules+committee&source=bl&ots=HE9PDGr08r&sig=JplXaXy3Zpj9Q0hAbt3pPTIAeKE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtrq_b8-LSAhXFZiYKHdYBBQgQ6AEIPDAF#v=onepage&q=calvin griffith on official baseball rules committee&f=false And from an article below by Dick Kaegel-I took out owners name mentioned in parens and team name in parens. "FYI, the 18-inch rule came about in 1955 because some club owners, led by owner (I will let the owner remain anonymous here, but he did have a HOF player with 573 home runs-dd) of the old (anonymous-dd) team, were losing too many baseballs because of pine tar smudges from bats. In those days, owners coveted and counted the balls in stark contrast to today when they're routinely tossed into the stands". Joe's first year as crew chief, if the stats are right, as he had been working under Marty Springstead for years. And I don't want I want to pick on the man from Myrtle Beach down in your neck of the woods who was in on this. Ruling on the field should have been upheld, and then in the very next sentence immediately been changed using the clause "in the best interests of baseball" until the written rule could be changed or clarified more the next year by the rules committee and written into the 1984 book. Enjoy your upcoming games.
  5. ************Beware************ I am going to be, oh so mean to you now. Do you get your name and others their name plastered all over the newspapers throughout the country, for this "misapplication" of the rule (DDB table) in the rule book, and your reputation sullied all over the place like the guys in the George Bret incident or the Fieldin Culbreth situation. What is the penalty for this misapplication of a rule in the (DDB table). This is not a judgment call situation, it is a misapplication of the new rule in the DDB table. So, how much is the fine and how many days off/suspension for this discretion. Inquiring minds want to know. My only hope is that you can keep your sense of humor concerning this post.
  6. Well, the old guy I met used that term and I did not ask him to explain further. I guess I figured if he wanted to elaborate on the subject, he would have, but I just listened and let him talk. Not being in the know, I would just try and guess it would be like the regular world of work and what questions to ask or not ask in an interview. I would also assume asking some type of question that puts the instructor in a 'show me up type' situation question would not be good either. Maybe one of those dream play questions with 10-20 coulda woulda shouldas added into the question, that some smart aleck might try to ask would qualify. I am sure, since I see the SCUA listed as an association in your area, that Clint Fagan who works some clinics for the SCUA, could inform you exactly concerning what that terminology the old guy used would mean, at least in his mind and be glad to elaborate on that question. Also, a former MLBU from Louisiana that injured out with a concussion could probably elaborate a good deal on the subject if you were to run into him. I am sure others on here could give several examples that they have heard of, that are right in the wheel house of the question you posed to me, If?????, they decide to answer.
  7. Does this make you feel younger????? http://www.uncabulldogs.com/boxscore.aspx?path=baseball&id=3537 Since you are one of those in the know. Is this veteran at 1st base being brought in by the NCAA to help the young buck whipper snappers, like this umpire on the plate, with the high strike that is mentioned in another Topic post in this Collegiate category??????
  8. Post retirement interview http://m.mlb.com/news/article/217022564/jim-joyce-joyce-reflects-on-umpiring-career/
  9. Yes. And that does not mean some oblong type egg shaped zone either. All those outlier squares inside the zone, on those strike zone batters charts that Ted Williams says will make you a below the Mendoza line hitter, should not be exempt either. If the pitchers hit those spots (strikes), those go too. Wish there were just Collegiate shots through the whole film rather than bring in MLB, but anything to help works. And No matter how you define the strike zone, to some, a good pitch at the top of the zone, just barely inside the square, will look just barely outside the square, to some umpires. Same with a low pitch or corner pitches, a pitch that is barely outside the zone anywhere will look just barely inside the zone to some umpires and vice versa. Nice film to help illustrate what the NCAA wants called. Just make sure no one is penalized for calling such pitches, and make sure umpires are backed up when calling these pitches, even when they result in chirping on that pitch, and then that chirping leads to an ejection, that would not have resulted in chirping and an ejection before. No lowering of an umpires rating or schedule for enforcing the zone the NCAA puts a film out on, no matter whether it is a Big 5, 6, 1,000,000 Conference, or whatever, with the coaches or evaluators.
  10. Get out that O2 tank you wheezer, geezer. Time for you to go to the land of newly weds and nearly deads in good old St. Pete. Here is your article. http://viemagazine.com/article/the-new-st-petersburg/ oh, but look, you can still umpire while wearing your O2 tank http://sportzedge.com/2017/01/06/florida-softball-league-is-87-many-players-are-even-older/ http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7f3ff6761fea454793d050f14c866c62 Maybe you and SWMBO can team up with KenBAZ and his new? SWMBO and take turns visiting each other over a toddy and a vigorous game of shuffleboard. Or maybe, SWMBO will just turn you in for a newer model. You better git to exercizin.
  11. The Big South, where the 2016 reigning CWS Champions hang their hats this year, after defeating teams from those 3 sissy Conferences you must be referring to from last year. Maybe the "power" button that must have short circuited last year, will return for the sissy's this year.
  12. here is an old one (mask) and I see nothing wrong with it, if this guy could wear it. And he wasn't just seeing puff balls, with Nolan Ryan, J.R. Richards, Dwight Gooden, Randy Johnson, Rob Dibble https://www.google.com/search?q=dutch+rennert+umpire+mask&biw=1890&bih=914&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5jK6KybHSAhUC6yYKHWQ3BFcQsAQIKw#imgrc=Prirq87ilcPPMM: https://www.google.com/search?q=dutch+rennert+umpire+mask&biw=1890&bih=914&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5jK6KybHSAhUC6yYKHWQ3BFcQsAQIKw#imgrc=ikfeRcIPZh_xEM: Take the outside of the chest protector and do the breast stroke into the arm straps and bring your hands down to the middle on the chest protector at the bottom. Now spread the hands about 4 inches apart at the most, or they can be butted together and dig the fingers into the bottom 1/4 of the bottom part closest to your mid section and of course make sure your elbows are in tight. No chicken wing elbows exposed. Pull the protector tightly under you chin. Set up right in the middle of the plate. When the batter hits the ball, slide the right arm out of the strap and reach up with the left hand to take the mask off, without the hat coming off, and tuck the chest protector under your left arm and against the left side of your body. Do not throw the protector on the ground when going to third. Keep it tucked under all the way to third. Watch the play and if you have to give a safe call, this is when the protector strap will slide halfway down your arm. You can keep it tucked with the out call. Tuck it back under your arm to jog back to the plate. Or, you can cheat and just use the strap in the middle the best you can. The above was the way it was taught apparently at the schools years ago, and that was what you had to do. Remember, you still had to take the mask off without the hat coming off. Of course nowdays, with the concussion issue, right over the middle of the plate would probably not be in the best interest of places to be. Probably an inside position like using an inside protector but using the outside protector. Cheers.
  13. I cannot help with some recommendations of people to call. Hopefully someone who lives in Florida can give you some contacts. But Right in Boca Raton (Palm Beach County) is the East Coast umpires associaiton. Go north of Palm Beach County to Brevard County and you hit (don't know where the boundary line with Boca Raton umpires is ) the Midcoast umpires association. Go south of Boca Raton, Fort Lauderdale (but I do not know where the boundary line with Palm Beach County umpires is) and you hit the Broward County umpires association. Sorry for no help with a name or a recommendation of which might be in your best interests to give you.
  14. Yep and when Joe hits the field as a "full time" umpire on either Sunday or Monday of the opening games of the season, he becomes the only umpire to work 38 years as a "full time" umpire on the field. If he works 121 games like last year he will pull within 100 games of Bruce Froemming #2 spot for games worked in a career. On the last year of the current contract 2019 he will have 5305 games worked and pull within 70 games of current leader Bill Klem. If working into 2020 as the third umpire to work at 68 years old after HOF Hank O'Day and Froemming, he will catch Klemm in late July or early August of 2020. If he would like to retire on his "first game as a call up"/first MLB game, birthday so to speak, that day would be September 14, 2020. He worked his first NL MLB game in Atlanta with the Houston Astros in town. His crew chief was Paul Pryor (and future apparel bag businessman, Paul Pryor travel bags), a North Carolinian like Joe, with the other crew members of John McSherry and Art Williams. Joe had only been working MiLB since 1974, so he only completed 3 full years of Minor League ball before working his first "call up" at 23 years old in late September.
  15. I think this photo answers the question. https://www.google.com/search?q=2017+spring+training+umpire+pictures&biw=1890&bih=914&tbm=isch&imgil=fFF4cuv8n9ZxCM%3A%3BvXmPUecXWlqOZM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fdetroitjockcity.com%252F2017%252F02%252F25%252Fdetroit-tigers-vs-houston-astros-spring-training-game-time-broadcast-information%252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=fFF4cuv8n9ZxCM%3A%2CvXmPUecXWlqOZM%2C_&usg=__XNGOmea39IEjhUxfGkpOXMw6ZZs%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiHobOmga7SAhVFLSYKHQouA9MQyjcIMw&ei=KeuyWMfoKcXamAGK3IyYDQ#imgrc=fFF4cuv8n9ZxCM:
  16. I think that headache while working 3rd base yesterday might have gone away, although 10 innings at home with one of the former CWS champs (who lost) giving up an unearned run in the top of the 8th, causing the game to go into extra's and a game time of 3:25, is not the way to come out of that headache. He should have, the rubber game???, if the home team wakes up today, of the match on Sunday. 2-26-28 updaye oops--that's a 4 man crew rather than a 3 man so opening at 3rd base does not a plate job make under normal circumstances, unless jumping over yesterday's 1B umpire to get the plate today. May be a precautionary situation for the headache.
  17. Here we go from this particular State in baseball/softball. https://laurinburgexchange.com/sports/8958/nchsaa-cracking-down-on-discipline-in-baseball-softball
  18. Well the complaints have started in D1, to be followed by all levels of baseball, LL-MLB, no doubt. Good thing the BIG 12 uses 4 umpires (there you go with that up and coming new umpire (neat built in system to use if they will)-(work as the PU on non-con till ready for Conference, and then also work a 4 man on Conference games on weekends, so they get to see you there as well, for 3 games on the bases, before being cleared for Conference as a PU as well as a BU). 3 games on the bases, can't beat that for $1,650. By using 4 umpires for the games, when a PU or other injures out of a game you still have the 3 man system in place. If only a 3 man system to start with, you are back to a 2 man. Better keep those 2 man skills up to snuff just in case. And, to be fair the second area of the article in Bold, mentions how Texas had chances to win the game in spite of the disagreement on the field, but did not capitalize on their opportunities. http://hookemheadlines.com/2017/02/17/umpires-2017-texas-baseball-opener/ Good luck to all umpires everywhere (and to HDS especially, a very good umpire who shares the things he has learned over the years with us, since I have picked on him), and my apologies to anyone I have ever offended when I have made some tongue in cheek comments, that should not have been made). Hopefully I can get out to watch a few games again this season as in the past. Have a great season. dd
  19. All I know is the PU was a former Pacific Coast League umpire who has worked 3 NCAA Regionals in his spare time. I would assume, maybe incorrectly, he has worked hard and is a good umpire who knows a lot about umpire equipment at this stage, and what works for him.
  20. Just go to many, many clinics, and start in Middle School, then JV High School, then Varsity High School, and then onto the Collegiate Levels. Make sure, if possible, coaches are tied to the schools as teachers for more accountability. Be careful http://abc13.com/sports/judge-apologizes-after-heckling-umpire-/1543369/
  21. it's official now. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18737123/mlb-promotes-4-umpires-replace-retiring-jim-joyce-john-hirschbeck-tim-welke-bob-davidson Torres is the first from the Major League Umpire Camp initiative program with De Jesus trying to become the 2nd umpire from the initiative to move into a full time position. Torres (38) also becomes the first MLB umpire since the 70's to start their MiLB career at the age of 30 or greater. rookie league at 30 years 9 months in 2009. Morales becomes the first to achieve in quite some time (whenever/whomever that time/person last occurred was) to have 'never worked a full season worth of AAA games (140) before being promoted to full time MLBU status'. Looks like between 105-115 AAA MiLB games were all he ever worked in 3 1/2 years of AAA status and the rest were "call up" MLB games. Only 15-20 AAA plate jobs in that 1/2 AA, 1/2 AAA season in 2013 before opening the 2014 MLB season as a call up at the start of his 6th season. Of course Hoberg was right there beside him although he did work about 150 AAA games or only about 30-35 total AAA plate jobs since they work 4 man a lot now, before opening the 2014 season as a MLB call up also. So, only 5 years of MiLB (quicker than most can get a Masters Degree) before working a 123 game MLB call up schedule in 2014. Not one of the 4 new hires ever worked a AAA National Championship/World Series Game. Only Hamari, Hoberg and Morales worked a futures game and only Hamari and Hoberg worked the plate on that game. Torres was the only one to work a AAA All-Star game. Hamari and Hoberg only worked 1 Arizona Fall League while Morales and Torres worked 2. Let's see if that young (26 this year) phenom, Travis Eggert, can jump right in after Spring Training, get a number, and then get the same amount of MLB games as the other young (26 last year) phenom Nic Lentz received (105) last year. Ron Teague seeks to become the 1st Doug Harvey award winner from the California League to become a full time MLBU. The 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 Doug Harvey award winners have achieved AAA status. Blake Davis, Ryan Goodman, who have retired, and now Ron Teague received Arizona Fall League and Spring Training invitations. Chris Gonzalez has retired after 3 years in the PCL and a Venezuela assignment in 2014. And concerning retiring Jim Joyce. Here is the MAC First and Second Team Selections for 1976. Looks like a few MLB players on the list. WWW.MAC-SPORTS.COM 1976 First Team P -- Bob Owchinko, Eastern Michigan P -- Bob Welch, Eastern Michigan P -- Kip Young, Bowling Green P -- Mike Rachuba, Toledo C -- Jerry Keller, Eastern Michigan 1B -- Emil Drzayich, Ohio 2B -- Les Ream, Ohio 3B -- Bob Brenly, Ohio SS -- Glenn Gulliver, Eastern Michigan OF -- Demetrius Sanders, Ball State OF -- John Northrup, Central Michigan OF -- Len Matuszek, Toledo DH -- Marty Frank, Toledo Second Team P -- Tom Sharon, Ball State P -- Dave Dusellier, Western Michigan P -- Mark Knust, Western Michigan P -- Jim Joyce, Bowling Green 1B -- Dave Lewis, Central Michigan 2B -- Bob Utter, Kent State 2B -- Dan Hall, Miami 3B -- Bob Brannock, Ball State SS -- Jerry Tyson, Toledo OF -- Dave Krauss, Kent State OF -- Jim Millward, Western Michigan OF -- Bob Grandas, Central Michigan DH -- Mike Ranier, Ohi
  22. And in your travels as an official and something really bad happens, maybe you could consult with this guy if needed. https://www.expertclick.com/NewsRelease/Calling-the-Game-Your-Legal-Rights-Alan-Goldberger-,2017105039.aspx
  23. Another injury over the weekend. Good thing this game, like the one in the OP had a 4 man crew, or it would be back to the old 2 man crew. http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=211487536 and another one in the Arkansas game. Another 4 man crew. http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/feb/18/ua-staff-does-job-in-opener-20170218/
  24. LOL, got any swampland to sell him after he passes the camp course and has some money jingling in his pocket from working games????? I liked the training videos of the CUA, and of course i gravitated to the balk videos wouldn't you know LOL.