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Usssa MLB rules 14u. I can't find a thread for this but my search on tapatalk isn't working that great. BR throws a bat, hit me in the pelvic bone and the chest of F2. Team warning. Next inning same batter throws a bat and I narrowly miss it hitting my head but he threw it hard enough it bounced of the back wall, which is quite a distance on this field. BR gets to first. I eject BR for thrown bat (his coach was fine with this surprisingly). I've never ejected a player before. I replaced BR with the last out as they were batting a full lineup. Not sure if that was right. Also, opposing coach asked me if the ejected players next time at bat would be an out, I said no but then thought about it and said yes he would be an out. His batting position never came back up but I told both coaches I had never had this happen (they both knew me pretty well and know I'm fairly new, did a lot of both teams games last year) and I would check on my ruling on that. Does the ejected player get a CR or is it an out and is his position an out his next at bat?

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Usssa MLB rules 14u. I can't find a thread for this but my search on tapatalk isn't working that great. BR throws a bat, hit me in the pelvic bone and the chest of F2. Team warning. Next inning same batter throws a bat and I narrowly miss it hitting my head but he threw it hard enough it bounced of the back wall, which is quite a distance on this field.

BR gets to first. I eject BR for thrown bat (his coach was fine with this surprisingly). I've never ejected a player before. I replaced BR with the last out as they were batting a full lineup. Not sure if that was right. Also, opposing coach asked me if the ejected players next time at bat would be an out, I said no but then thought about it and said yes he would be an out. His batting position never came back up but I told both coaches I had never had this happen (they both knew me pretty well and know I'm fairly new, did a lot of both teams games last year) and I would check on my ruling on that.

Does the ejected player get a CR or is it an out and is his position an out his next at bat?

What code? never mind, if they are batting everyone it's not real baseball, make a ruling and enforce it. Posted while under the influence.

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"At any time, the offensive team may use a courtesy runner for the pitcher and catcher of record the previous inning on defense." USSSA 7.04.B.

 

"When using the continuous lineup and a player has to leave the game for any reason, that position in the line-up becomes an out when that at bat comes around." USSSA 7.02.D.1(b).

 

"Playing rules not specifically covered herein, shall be governed by The Official Rules of Baseball - National League, as published by Major League Baseball on the MLB.com web site." USSSA Official Baseball Natiional By-Laws & Rules, Foreword.

 

OBR does not permit courtesy runners, so unless ejectee was a pitcher or catcher, the ej results in an out.  And future at bats are outs. I'm assuming from the context of the OP that no subs are available.

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"At any time, the offensive team may use a courtesy runner for the pitcher and catcher of record the previous inning on defense." USSSA 7.04.B.

 

"When using the continuous lineup and a player has to leave the game for any reason, that position in the line-up becomes an out when that at bat comes around." USSSA 7.02.D.1(b).

 

"Playing rules not specifically covered herein, shall be governed by The Official Rules of Baseball - National League, as published by Major League Baseball on the MLB.com web site." USSSA Official Baseball Natiional By-Laws & Rules, Foreword.

 

OBR does not permit courtesy runners, so unless ejectee was a pitcher or catcher, the ej results in an out.  And future at bats are outs. I'm assuming from the context of the OP that no subs are available.

 

Good rule references. My next question would be: Do the USSSA rules specify WHO may serve as a courtesy runner in this case?

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"At any time, the offensive team may use a courtesy runner for the pitcher and catcher of record the previous inning on defense." USSSA 7.04.B.

 

"When using the continuous lineup and a player has to leave the game for any reason, that position in the line-up becomes an out when that at bat comes around." USSSA 7.02.D.1(b).

 

"Playing rules not specifically covered herein, shall be governed by The Official Rules of Baseball - National League, as published by Major League Baseball on the MLB.com web site." USSSA Official Baseball Natiional By-Laws & Rules, Foreword.

 

OBR does not permit courtesy runners, so unless ejectee was a pitcher or catcher, the ej results in an out.  And future at bats are outs. I'm assuming from the context of the OP that no subs are available.

 

Good rule references. My next question would be: Do the USSSA rules specify WHO may serve as a courtesy runner in this case?

 

Yes. 7.04.B goes on to say; "The courtesy runner must be a player not presently in the line-up.  If no players not presently in the line-up are available, the courtesy runner shall be the player making the last batted out."

 

USSSA rules are available online.  Search for usssabaseball.

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"If no players not presently in the line-up are available, the courtesy runner shall be the player making the last batted out."

 

Got me thinking, what the heck is a batted out?  U-trip rules do not define it.  We were just discussing the meaning of a batted ball.  Would a batted out be an out following a batted ball?

 

Picture a 9 player team, B1 grounds out, next five batters reach safely, B7 strikes out, catcher B8 reaches safely and wants a courtesy runner.  Would the on-deck batter be the proper courtesy runner?  What if B7's third strike was a foul tip?

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Usssa MLB rules 14u. I can't find a thread for this but my search on tapatalk isn't working that great. BR throws a bat, hit me in the pelvic bone and the chest of F2. Team warning. Next inning same batter throws a bat and I narrowly miss it hitting my head but he threw it hard enough it bounced of the back wall, which is quite a distance on this field. BR gets to first. I eject BR for thrown bat (his coach was fine with this surprisingly). I've never ejected a player before. I replaced BR with the last out as they were batting a full lineup. Not sure if that was right. Also, opposing coach asked me if the ejected players next time at bat would be an out, I said no but then thought about it and said yes he would be an out. His batting position never came back up but I told both coaches I had never had this happen (they both knew me pretty well and know I'm fairly new, did a lot of both teams games last year) and I would check on my ruling on that. Does the ejected player get a CR or is it an out and is his position an out his next at bat?

If you are EJ the player for the thrown bat, are they not out as well?  I'm having to go back to the lower lower levels to remember an out on a slung bat.  I did actually call one out this year in a 9U game for hitting the catcher, after having hit me the first time.

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PWD? (Posting While Drinking) or PWI?

@Jimurray. Could this be a new sport? Tsk, tsk.

Or were you referring to her post being written while under the influence?

Hahaha

Coaches offered to take me out for beers! I declined, so I was sober..... Unfortunately.

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"If no players not presently in the line-up are available, the courtesy runner shall be the player making the last batted out."

 

Got me thinking, what the heck is a batted out?  U-trip rules do not define it.  We were just discussing the meaning of a batted ball.  Would a batted out be an out following a batted ball?

 

Picture a 9 player team, B1 grounds out, next five batters reach safely, B7 strikes out, catcher B8 reaches safely and wants a courtesy runner.  Would the on-deck batter be the proper courtesy runner?  What if B7's third strike was a foul tip?

We use this in some leagues I do in the sumer. Last batted out simply means the last guy who made an out at bat. In your example B7 would be the LBO. It's meant to avoid something like this. Speedy leadoff hitter B1 singles. B2 strikes out. B1(R1) CS..(strike em out throw em out). B3 singles, manager wants speedy leadoff hitter to be CR...after all, he was the last out. ...The CR would be B2. The last "batted" out.  Not B1 who the actual last out. 

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"If no players not presently in the line-up are available, the courtesy runner shall be the player making the last batted out."

 

Got me thinking, what the heck is a batted out?  U-trip rules do not define it.  We were just discussing the meaning of a batted ball.  Would a batted out be an out following a batted ball?

 

Picture a 9 player team, B1 grounds out, next five batters reach safely, B7 strikes out, catcher B8 reaches safely and wants a courtesy runner.  Would the on-deck batter be the proper courtesy runner?  What if B7's third strike was a foul tip?

We use this in some leagues I do in the sumer. Last batted out simply means the last guy who made an out at bat. In your example B7 would be the LBO. It's meant to avoid something like this. Speedy leadoff hitter B1 singles. B2 strikes out. B1(R1) CS..(strike em out throw em out). B3 singles, manager wants speedy leadoff hitter to be CR...after all, he was the last out. ...The CR would be B2. The last "batted" out.  Not B1 who the actual last out. 

 

Richvee, you are correct.  I have coached USSSA ball for several years and you explained it the way I remember it.  Stopped coaching this last December.

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Years ago I EJ'd a U12 recidivist bat slinger (after previously issuing a warning). OMG, you would have thought that I had sentenced the kid to the electric chair. I don't engage the spectators, but on this occasion, I suggested that the parents take little Johnnie off to the side, let him sling the bat at them and then let me know how many wacks it took before they put an end to it.

 

They wouldn't let me resume the game until the TD/facility owner came and ruled. When we (coach/me/TD) met, the TD said that I gave ample warning and the EJ held. OK...lets get back to baseball...I go back to the plate. The coach is still arguing with the TD, then the TD walks across the field and asks me to rescind the EJ...I couldn't believe it. So I asked for clarification, Are you ASKING me to rescind, if so the answer is no. If you're TELLING me to rescind, you can tell it the next umpire that takes over. He walked away. I thought that this was my last game working there. No, I was assigned next week. And we had a new park rule, that bat slingers are a dead-ball out (after a team warning).  :shrug:

 
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"If no players not presently in the line-up are available, the courtesy runner shall be the player making the last batted out."

 

Got me thinking, what the heck is a batted out?  U-trip rules do not define it.  We were just discussing the meaning of a batted ball.  Would a batted out be an out following a batted ball?

 

Picture a 9 player team, B1 grounds out, next five batters reach safely, B7 strikes out, catcher B8 reaches safely and wants a courtesy runner.  Would the on-deck batter be the proper courtesy runner?  What if B7's third strike was a foul tip?

We use this in some leagues I do in the sumer. Last batted out simply means the last guy who made an out at bat. In your example B7 would be the LBO. It's meant to avoid something like this. Speedy leadoff hitter B1 singles. B2 strikes out. B1(R1) CS..(strike em out throw em out). B3 singles, manager wants speedy leadoff hitter to be CR...after all, he was the last out. ...The CR would be B2. The last "batted" out.  Not B1 who the actual last out. 

 

 

So I will interpret "last batted out" = the player not on base whose batting slot is furthest away from coming up to bat again.

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USSSA doesn't have a rule in regards to a slung bat. I found out the hard way after giving a kid a warning in a state tourney and coach went ballistic. He went straight to the TD who confirmed that there is no such rule, unless it's intentional and then player can be ejected for unsportsmanlike conduct.

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USSSA doesn't have a rule in regards to a slung bat. I found out the hard way after giving a kid a warning in a state tourney and coach went ballistic. He went straight to the TD who confirmed that there is no such rule, unless it's intentional and then player can be ejected for unsportsmanlike conduct.

That's just a TD with no balls! Making coaches happy.

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@Umpirechick1, the same thing almost happened to me last weekend in a travel ball tourny, RHB slings his bat square on above my left knee, I warn him for it, and the TD  walks over to me in between innings and tells me there is no rule for slinging the bat.  The kid gets off and I get a massive bruise  and a sore leg for my efforts.

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USSSA doesn't have a rule in regards to a slung bat. I found out the hard way after giving a kid a warning in a state tourney and coach went ballistic. He went straight to the TD who confirmed that there is no such rule, unless it's intentional and then player can be ejected for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Forsyth County rec uses USSSA as a basis, but it the local adds include the thrown bat part.  Thank goodness.  

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OBR 9.01(B) ...Each umpire has authority to order a player, coach, manager or club officer or employee to do or refrain from doing anything which affects the administering of these rules.

 

Whether it's 9.01 (B) or ©, the umpire can require batters not to sling bats that could interfere with F2 (not to mention cause him and/or you injury). The penalty for not following an umpire's directive is usually ejection. 

 

The coach that said that you don't have any authority to handle bat slingers is wrong. You do have some rule reference backup if needed.

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I've never ejected a player before.

 

Good job, sounds like this player needed to go.

 

As Ron Luciano once said, "Throwing people out of a game is like learning to ride a bicycle--once you get the hang of it, it can be a lot of fun." :)

 

@Jimurray. Could this be a new sport? Tsk, tsk.

 

 

We could make it a web special like Drunk History on Comedy Central.

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@Umpirechick1, the same thing almost happened to me last weekend in a travel ball tourny, RHB slings his bat square on above my left knee, I warn him for it, and the TD  walks over to me in between innings and tells me there is no rule for slinging the bat.  The kid gets off and I get a massive bruise  and a sore leg for my efforts.

 

EJ the TD??

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