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I am looking for the correct umpire ruling from an incident that took place yesterday during a 50/70 LL game.  Situation;  1 out, man on second.  The batter steps to the plate and hits a HR.  During the celebration at home, the runner from second fails to touch home plate.  The kid who hit the HR comes behind him and touches home and scores.  The opposing team appeals the play and argues that the runner from second should be out and the kid who hit the HR must go back to third (they argued that this exact play happened during their playoffs last year and they researched the correct ruling 3 months ago) .  The umpire ruled that the kid from second was out and the run scored (I agree).  I have spoken to several other coaches and most of them agree with the umpire but there are several interpretations of the "passing the runner" rule.  Can you please cite the exact rule? 

 

Just out of curiosity, what if there were two outs?  Does the home run count if the appeal is successful?

 

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Just out of curiosity, what if there were two outs?  Does the home run count if the appeal is successful?

 

 

If there were two outs at the start of the play, then R2 makes the third out.  No runners behind R2 can score, so the home run does not count.

 

(Change the play so it starts with R2, R3 -- then R3's run counts, R2 is out for the third out,  BR's run still does not count.)

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I am looking for the correct umpire ruling from an incident that took place yesterday during a 50/70 LL game.  Situation;  1 out, man on second.  The batter steps to the plate and hits a HR.  During the celebration at home, the runner from second fails to touch home plate.  The kid who hit the HR comes behind him and touches home and scores.  The opposing team appeals the play and argues that the runner from second should be out and the kid who hit the HR must go back to third (they argued that this exact play happened during their playoffs last year and they researched the correct ruling 3 months ago) .  The umpire ruled that the kid from second was out and the run scored (I agree).  I have spoken to several other coaches and most of them agree with the umpire but there are several interpretations of the "passing the runner" rule.  Can you please cite the exact rule? 

 

Just out of curiosity, what if there were two outs?  Does the home run count if the appeal is successful?

 

Thanks to all, this is a great website.

 

Not enough research.

 

7.12 Unless two are out, the status of a following runner is not affected by a preceding runner’s failure to touch or retouch a base.

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I am looking for the correct umpire ruling from an incident that took place yesterday during a 50/70 LL game.  Situation;  1 out, man on second.  The batter steps to the plate and hits a HR.  During the celebration at home, the runner from second fails to touch home plate.  The kid who hit the HR comes behind him and touches home and scores.  The opposing team appeals the play and argues that the runner from second should be out and the kid who hit the HR must go back to third (they argued that this exact play happened during their playoffs last year and they researched the correct ruling 3 months ago) .  The umpire ruled that the kid from second was out and the run scored (I agree).  I have spoken to several other coaches and most of them agree with the umpire but there are several interpretations of the "passing the runner" rule.  Can you please cite the exact rule? 

 

Just out of curiosity, what if there were two outs?  Does the home run count if the appeal is successful?

 

Thanks to all, this is a great website.

 

The BR did not "pass" R2. R2 crossed the plate (without touching it, I know), so he is assumed to have touched the plate until such time as an appeal is made.Once he 'crossed" the plate, he was no longer a runner.

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