Jump to content
  • 0

Weirdest "Rule"


Guest Juan
Umpire-Empire locks topics which have not been active in the last year. The thread you are viewing hasn't been active in 3579 days so you will not be able to post. We do recommend you starting a new topic to find out what's new in the world of umpiring.

Question

What's the weirdest "rule" you ever had a coach tell you is a real rule that they obviously made up or heard when they were playing in their backyard but thinks is real?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Recommended Posts

  • 0

Bounced pitch is a dead ball.  

 

Or, batted ball that hits the plate is foul.

 

Or, this question I got at a plate meeting, 10U: "Is this the last age group where the infield fly applies?"

 

That last one is my vote.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

Had a 12u game last week. 1st time with open bases for the kids and the daddy coaches. R2. Not moving at all towards 3rd, R1 steps and throws to 3rd. I call the balk. Coach asks "what did he do". I say, "You can't throw to an unoccupied base unless it's to make a play on a runner" Coach says ...."Why not?" :smachhead:

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

That you CAN'T have a little bit of Pine Tar on your neck when pitching!   Ridiculous huh?  It's for Safety (grip).  Don't want to hit batters.  lol

 

I'm pretty certain the MLBPA and NAACP will join forces and sue the Crew Chief for $15 Million for "assaulting" him (did you see how he touched his neck without any sterile gloves or even in the presence of his lawyer????)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

 

That you CAN'T have a little bit of Pine Tar on your neck when pitching!   Ridiculous huh?  It's for Safety (grip).  Don't want to hit batters.  lol

 

I'm pretty certain the MLBPA and NAACP will join forces and sue the Crew Chief for $15 Million for "assaulting" him (did you see how he touched his neck without any sterile gloves or even in the presence of his lawyer????)

 

 

Actually looks like he asked before he did . . . which seems wise . . .

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

How about from an ump:  it's an automatic ball if the pitcher receives a signal from a coach before throwing a pitch.  (Cancel that strike out and change it to a ball . . . )

 

And another ump*:  player is out for not sliding at the plate in LL, even if the ball is in the outfield (yup, saw a double play arise from that "rule" when both unchallenged runners failed to slide . . . )

 

*This "ump" may have been a dad drafted because no ump showed up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

In LL, 'games can't be stopped for darkness until the snack bar light comes on'.   AND, a game was halted prior to the light going on, was protested and the protest was UPHELD!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

And another ump*:  player is out for not sliding at the plate in LL, even if the ball is in the outfield (yup, saw a double play arise from that "rule" when both unchallenged runners failed to slide . . . )

As I'm sure you know, that's a local league add-on rule.  The applicable LL rule just requires that the runner slide or attempt to avoid contact.

 

7.08 - Any runner is out when -

(a)(3) the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag;

 

Our local LL has the (stupid, IMO) "must slide" rule.  7.08 (a)(3) should do the job just fine without them needing to meddle with it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

 

And another ump*:  player is out for not sliding at the plate in LL, even if the ball is in the outfield (yup, saw a double play arise from that "rule" when both unchallenged runners failed to slide . . . )

As I'm sure you know, that's a local league add-on rule.  The applicable LL rule just requires that the runner slide or attempt to avoid contact.

 

7.08 - Any runner is out when -

(a)(3) the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag;

 

Our local LL has the (stupid, IMO) "must slide" rule.  7.08 (a)(3) should do the job just fine without them needing to meddle with it.

 

Just wait, some kid will slide when it wasn't needed and break an ankle. How will the board explain that one in court?

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

In LL, 'games can't be stopped for darkness until the snack bar light comes on'.   AND, a game was halted prior to the light going on, was protested and the protest was UPHELD!!

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

 

And another ump*:  player is out for not sliding at the plate in LL, even if the ball is in the outfield (yup, saw a double play arise from that "rule" when both unchallenged runners failed to slide . . . )

As I'm sure you know, that's a local league add-on rule.  The applicable LL rule just requires that the runner slide or attempt to avoid contact.

 

7.08 - Any runner is out when -

(a)(3) the runner does not slide or attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball and is waiting to make the tag;

 

Our local LL has the (stupid, IMO) "must slide" rule.  7.08 (a)(3) should do the job just fine without them needing to meddle with it.

 

 

Uh, no, it was not.  It was simply a gross misunderstanding of the actual rule.  Local LL had no modification of 7.08.  (And I didn't think that 7.08 was within the ambit of things that local LLs were permitted to modify?)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

In LL, 'games can't be stopped for darkness until the snack bar light comes on'.   AND, a game was halted prior to the light going on, was protested and the protest was UPHELD!!

 

I can understand that one.  Multiple games at a site and games get called at different times.  Everyone at some time complains to the Pres and BoD that "hey - that game is still going why did ours stop"?  So the league sets up a signal and has the OD activate it.

 

We have the same problem with our no inning starts after 8:00 rule in our minors.  Just never found a good way to set up a signal that could be seen across the park. And don't bother suggesting a sound - it would just piss off the neighborhood. They tend to complain about the PA if it starts getting "too late".

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

Bounced pitch is a dead ball.  

 

Or, batted ball that hits the plate is foul.

 

Or, this question I got at a plate meeting, 10U: "Is this the last age group where the infield fly applies?"

 

That last one is my vote.

Bounced pitch which hits the batter is a dead ball. But, of course, it's not a HBP so the batter stays at the plate.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

(And I didn't think that 7.08 was within the ambit of things that local LLs were permitted to modify?)

 

That assumes that the local league would bother to submit their local rules for approval. Our local league certainly doesn't. Not even sure that they know that they are supposed to.

 

  

Bounced pitch which hits the batter is a dead ball. But, of course, it's not a HBP so the batter stays at the plate.

 

Under which rule set? I don't see any exception for bounced pitches in 6.08(b).  Is there something in the casebook about that?

 

6.08 - The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when --

(b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless (1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or (2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball;

If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.

APPROVED RULING: When the batter is touched by a pitched ball which does not entitle him to first base, the ball is dead and no runner may advance.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

(And I didn't think that 7.08 was within the ambit of things that local LLs were permitted to modify?)

That assumes that the local league would bother to submit their local rules for approval. Our local league certainly doesn't. Not even sure that they know that they are supposed to.

Bounced pitch which hits the batter is a dead ball. But, of course, it's not a HBP so the batter stays at the plate.

Under which rule set? I don't see any exception for bounced pitches in 6.08(b). Is there something in the casebook about that?

6.08 - The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when --

(b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless (1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or (2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball;

If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.

APPROVED RULING: When the batter is touched by a pitched ball which does not entitle him to first base, the ball is dead and no runner may advance.

See OP

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

 

Tie goes to the runner :stir: :fuel:

 

Don't confuse the lurkers. That one is true on a force play.

 

Keep believing Rich. Don't give up the fight.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

 

 

 

Tie goes to the runner :stir: :fuel:

 

Don't confuse the lurkers. That one is true on a force play.

 

Keep believing Rich. Don't give up the fight.

 

 

Stay in denial - you'll feel better.

 

:ZZZ:

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

OK UMP45 - please point out where any of the following is incorrect.

 

 

A tie DOES go to the runner at first base and for force plays. The only possible umpiring issue is whether or not a tie is possible. Trying to redefine the meaning of “before†sometimes enters the discussion too.

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;

 

Same here:

 

7.08 Any runner is out when—

(e) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

 

So if it's a tie, he or the base was not tagged before he touched the base so he's safe.

 

As you can see, a tie DOES go to the runner BY RULE!

 

People are so locked into their perception that the phrase is a myth that they can’t accept what is in black and white in the rule book.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 0

OK UMP45 - please point out where any of the following is incorrect.

 

 

A tie DOES go to the runner at first base and for force plays. The only possible umpiring issue is whether or not a tie is possible. Trying to redefine the meaning of “before†sometimes enters the discussion too.

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;

 

Same here:

 

7.08 Any runner is out when—

(e) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

 

So if it's a tie, he or the base was not tagged before he touched the base so he's safe.

 

As you can see, a tie DOES go to the runner BY RULPE!

 

People are so locked into their perception that the phrase is a myth that they can’t accept what is in black and white in the rule book.

FED and NCAA still have a semantic split on a force out and an out at 1B. All codes I believe require the runner to beat an appeal throw.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...