Timing play?

[stl_ump]

2 outs

R1 and R2

 

Double to the outfield.  Both runners score but R2 missed 3rd and is called out on appeal after everyone has crossed the plate.  Does R1's run count?  Timing play?

 

Same sitch but instead of R2 missing 3rd, BR misses 1st and is called out on appeal?  Same results?

 

Thanks

 

[UmpJM]

stl_ump,

 

Not a time play (either one).

 

When a missed base appeal is sustained for the 3rd out of the half inning, and the base missed was either the BR missing 1B or any runner who was forced to the base at the time he missed it, no run can score on the play per 4.09.

 

JM

[stl_ump]

stl_ump,

 

Not a time play (either one).

 

When a missed base appeal is sustained for the 3rd out of the half inning, and the base missed was either the BR missing 1B or any runner who was forced to the base at the time he missed it, no run can score on the play per 4.09.

 

JM

OK.. let me see if I have this straight.  Since he was forced to go to third and he missed it, then he is out on the appeal and no run scores since it is force situation.  Got it.

 

How about if he missed home, called out on appeal, then would R1's run count?  Timing play there?

 

Thanks

[UmpJM]

stl_ump,

 

If the runner misses a base to which he is NOT forced, then it becomes a time play.

 

However, if the 3rd out of the half inning, no following runner may score per the 2nd & 3rd A.R.s found in the 4.09 Comment.

 

So, in your example, R1's run would not count.

 

JM

[stl_ump]

So a timing play would only be in effect if it doesn't have to do with a following runner?

 

For instance, same situation where R1 and R2 score but BR goes to 3rd but misses 2nd and on the appeal he is declared out.  THEN the runs count because THAT'S a timing play?

[UmpJM]

stl_ump,

 

Correct.

 

A time play and both preceding runners' runs would score.

 

JM

[UMP45]

Time play not timing play.

[JaxRolo]

Time play not timing play.

Who's calling "Time"? :wave:

[stl_ump]

Thanks all...

 

So it's always called a "time" play?  Not a timing?  Or are there two types of time / timing plays?

[UmpJM]

Proper terminology is "time play".

 

JM

[Jocko]

The Jedi Master has spoken. Long live Yoda :notworthy:

[UmpJM]

@stl_ump,

 

I've attached a presentation I recently gave on appeals.

 

Page 4 of the presentation is my attempt at a comprehensive but succint treatment of the run scoring considerations.

 

I also address the runner's ability to correct an infraction.

 

Feel free if it helps.

 

JM

AppealsFVB2014.pdf

[Jocko]

@UmpJM - thanks Yoda. I will use this as a training guide for some of the guys in my group who ask lots of questions.

[JaxRolo]

@stl_ump,

I've attached a presentation I recently gave on appeals.

Page 4 of the presentation is my attempt at a comprehensive but succint treatment of the run scoring considerations.

I also address the runner's ability to correct an infraction.

Feel free if it helps.

JM

good job!

[stl_ump]

Thanks!