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I attended and witnessed two LL Major Girls All Stars SB games lasat night that just make me shake my head in absolute disgust!

First game was “interrupted†and delayed in every inning by both teams requesting “timeâ€, wanting rule interpretations, substitutions, challenging calls, etc. etc. The three regular season umpires were in constant discussions with them, among themselves, changing calls from safe to out, OBS to INT. What a circus. No control at all.

The second game was much worse. Two umpires from the first game (one quit and didn’t do this game). Same conditions and problems as in the previous game. The TD had to call Bristol three times during the game.

There was one more serious addition however . . . one of the coaches was a State Trooper, and (as I was told later, had threatened our STATE UIC and HIS WIFE previously at a game), came unglued and all hell broke loose. The Trooper “body bumps†the PU HARD in a “demonstration†of what one of the other teams’ players did to his player on a close call.

Coaches from both sides ended up getting EJ’d, spectators from the Trooper’s stands came into the dugouts, cussing and telling the kids to get their equipment and leaving.

Then it happened . . . the Trooper LOUDLY after his EJ, said to the PU, “I’ll break your neck!â€

Bristol was called and game forfeited by his team.

Well needless to say 911 was called, every LL Official from the the TD down that were present were called to the field. In the mean time waiting for LE response, this Trooper came around the backstop and got into the face of our UIC and tells him “don’t stare at me!†and then “body bumps†him as a “demonstrationâ€! I Couldn’t believe it. I was standing right next to our UIC and I had stared at him from the time he made his remark to the PU and came behind the backstop. He didn’t say jack to me, which was a wise decision on his part.

The TD told him and everyone else involved to remain at the site and twenty minutes later, a Deputy Sheriff arrives. Well, you all should know how that goes. No charges were made, and no reports are going to be written by the LEO.

There are several things that I am truly disgusted about regarding these matters even though they didn’t involve me personally and will find out today what, if any, LL procedures will be brought against him by the LP, TD, DA, and Williamsport itself.

#1 - IF, what I was told by our UIC regarding previous threatening by this Trooper on an umpire is true, why was he not banned from LL the first time?

#2 - Why was it “recommended†(from whom I don’t know yet), that charges not be filed against him? Either way, a Trooper is “on duty†24 / 7 and can be brought up on charges for unbecoming conduct, Assault and Battery and several others. If he was in a “civilian capacityâ€, charges should be filed for Assault and Battery at minimum.

#3 - The realization that “our†local LL umpiring personnel are seriously lacking in training and conduct also.

Sorry for the long post, but I am in a cloud of bewilderment this morning. I’ll post if I find out any further info today on the outcome(s) of last night’s fiasco.

SJA :-((((((((

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The umpire or TD can press their own charges. It is likely only the verbal assault, but as an officer that needs to be done. Also his supervisor needs to be advised of his threats. It could cost him his job or a suspension. Either way he needs to quit threatening people. He needs to have his team taken of they have more games. He needs to not be reinstated next year.

Training, this is a must. When we get together we can talk. I will have happy to run clinics. I have a couple of other guys that I could probably press into duty.

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The umpire or TD can press their own charges. It is likely only the verbal assault, but as an officer that needs to be done. Also his supervisor needs to be advised of his threats. It could cost him his job or a suspension. Either way he needs to quit threatening people. He needs to have his team taken of they have more games. He needs to not be reinstated next year.

Training, this is a must. When we get together we can talk. I will have happy to run clinics. I have a couple of other guys that I could probably press into duty.

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This was one of my questions. As of last night, it was "recommended" no charges were going to be filed. Today MAY be a different matter. I'll know later. The assault was the verbal part, the battery was the physical "bumping" of the PU and then AGAIN of the UIC at the backstop. He should be charged with both. Had it been me, I can assure you, his a$$ would be on the carpet at his Command Barrack this morning and a Hearing Board scheduled. I have no tolerance for bad, unbecoming, or misconduct by an LEO in any situation.

PS . . . remember: "it's for the kids" . . . yeah . . .

SJA

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A report needs to be filed, if the field officer declined to do so. The principles, including yourself, need to go to the nearest office, and make a detail report, ASAP.

 

If he's doing stuff like this, in front of a big audience, including little girls, on a stage where adults are supposed to be setting a great example, what is this clown doing when he's on duty, and nobody is around?

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It is not within my authority nor jurisdiction to file charges or a report regarding this matter at this time. Proper procedures should be followed by chain of command starting with those directly involved and the LEO responding to the call.

SJA

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The umpire and TD need to be convinced to file on their own. Then they need to file a with his uppers. A coach is bad enough,a police officer is over the top.

I had a coach threaten me one night and I told him although I could handle him the police were friends. He then claimed he was the law. I later found out he was a corrections officer. If he had been a cop I would have jammed him at work.I still could have but the rest of the story was enough punishment.

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At a minimum, his supervisor should know how his officer is portraying himself outside of work. A LEO shouldn't be acting like this. For a normal, law abiding citizen, a LEO should convey a feeling for safety, not fear for their life.

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Rich Ives is the LL expert above all experts. He knows absolutely everything about the LL. He knows all the ins and outs of the rules and all of LL protocol and exactly who to contact in these types of incidences. It is just amazing how LL must not want to hear about these instances that bring their organization down. Maybe they just want to look the other way, and have the District's and Regions look the other way and never bring these type instances to their attention. Also, if the District Rep never opens his mouth to the higher levels, it might just die right at the District Level and nobody else would ever know. Rich could tell you how to go over the head of a District guy who has no intestinal fortitude to do what is right and hangs everyone out to dry but the bullies and thugs.

 

If he will, he would know exactly what to do and who to go to and who he goes to with these instances, and how you get word to Williamsport and other Regional Levels to get these jack wagons out of LL.

 

However, if he will help, is another question, but he is the man for any and all LL advice, and I mean that sincerely.

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Just got back a few minutes ago from tonight's game. "Karma" must have intervened. According to the TD,LP, and DA, the Trooper has been banned from all LL. Charges may still be pending. Reports apparently have been filed.

Tonight's game was excellent. Championship tomorrow.

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And once again the rush-to-judgment crowd can learn why you need to sit back and take a deep breath and count to 10 before leaping to conclusions.  The current instant breaking news faction in the reporting world isn't really doing anyone any favors in leading the nation down this road.

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And once again the rush-to-judgment crowd can learn why you need to sit back and take a deep breath and count to 10 before leaping to conclusions.  The current instant breaking news faction in the reporting world isn't really doing anyone any favors in leading the nation down this road.

I am missing the reference to this thread. 

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And once again the rush-to-judgment crowd can learn why you need to sit back and take a deep breath and count to 10 before leaping to conclusions.  The current instant breaking news faction in the reporting world isn't really doing anyone any favors in leading the nation down this road.

I am missing the reference to this thread. 

 

 

SJA and dumbdumb comments to the effect that no one is doing anything.

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Negative, SJA said at the time of incidence the officer recommended no charges but would report back any further action, which he did. Dumbdumb simply stated that many times situations are referred back to the district. He also posted a very complimentary statement that if nothing happened you were the one to ask how to go up the line. The local LL did take action and quite definitively. Evidently there are pending charges in the legal system. 

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I am no longer involved with Little League and I haven't missed it for a second...One of my umpiring partners from the HS association finally had enough this year and told them not to call him next year...He is a minister.

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And once again the rush-to-judgment crowd can learn why you need to sit back and take a deep breath and count to 10 before leaping to conclusions.  The current instant breaking news faction in the reporting world isn't really doing anyone any favors in leading the nation down this road.

I am missing the reference to this thread. 

 

 

SJA and dumbdumb comments to the effect that no one is doing anything.

 

Just wanted to know protocol in case this happens again to someone, but falls just short of calling police, or people do not have the intestinal fortitude to call the police.

 

How do you handle this in your personal Local or District?

 

I am assuming (not rushing to judgment, since I am asking) you start with the Local Little League you are calling in. I assume there is a President and board to write up a report to. What happens in the OP if there had been no phone call to police? Now, you write up the report to the President and they take no action? Does the District want to hear about an incident like this?, or do they just want the Local to handle, and wash their hands of it at the District level by telling the Local not to even mention it to them. If the Local just drops it and the District never hears about it, what is one to do? Ok, now someone goes over the head of the Local and writes a letter to the District, but District fails to do anything, saying the Local has jurisdiction on all issues such as this. Ok, now do you go to the Regional guy with your letter. What if they turn a blind eye. Do you go to Williamsport?

 

Do they want to hear about an incident such as this, or just let the Local handle and wash their hands of it. If they (District, Regional, Williamsport), do not want to hear about such a bad sportsmanship incident, why not.

 

That is what I am asking about. How would your Local, etc. handle the above incident if nobody had the intestinal fortitude to call the police. What would an umpire do in your Local or District if your Local did nothing?

 

If the Local does do something, which apparently happened after my post, in which I mentioned your knowledge of the system at the Little League Level (sorry if you were somehow offended, it was not a tongue in check remark, about your much appreciated "without monetary reward" dedicated service to all things LL), how many other levels above the Local would like to hear about this incident and how it was handled, or do they prefer not to know. Personally, I would like to know about this incident regardless of my level in LL, were I to be involved in this organization in some capacity beyond the Local Level such as District, Regional, WP. I would want such poor behavior and threatening language passed on to me all the way to the top. But, I digress, that is just what I would want, not necessarily what LL wants.

 

I was trying to get advice on the system and what to do if by chance, something like this would try and be swept under the rug (and thank goodness it wasn't). What recourse does one have as an umpire and what are the steps to take, and how does one go over the head of the Local as in the OP if "nothing" had been done.

 

On a side note, individuals who consider LL a life and death situation based upon the outcome of a game, and carry it further with their actions verbally or with bullying or threats or possible physical contact must not care about their true professions and the possible bad publicity public altercations that could make the local paper could cause. They must not care about their communities nor their families, and especially that even a hint of the type of deportment mentioned here could have repercussions with their "actual employment". Whose the dumbdumb now????

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I had a situation between a fan and coach one night. I was changing out and I heard somebody tell somebody else they were going beat them up. Insert much language into that statement. I turn and a very large fan was threatening to beat a coach of the other team. I have never known what the problem was but I jump in between them and shut it down. The fan starts to tell me what the coach said. I told him I didn't care, it was over, go to your truck. He starts to go, then stops and tries to continue the conversation, I repeated my instruction. He again starts to leave, stops, throws all his video equipment down and wants to come back and get into it with me. The home coach stopped him and got him out of there. The president called me and he had been banned from the park. If that hadn't have happened I would have pursued it up the line, but the league reacted quickly. 

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It seems that the coaches will try to twist things to their liking all the time. Surely not a new tactic by any means!

 

I like when they ask for help......many times it's like....Hey...will you make a fool out of your partner for me to watch? I always say to the head coach, what do you want to appeal. That's were you get many of them because they don't know how to answer the question!

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