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#1 PonyUmpire

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:23 AM

What are your thoughts on the point strike mechanic? My problem with it is that its hard to have a simultaneous signal & verbal, while managing to make the call in a reasonable amount of time. How do you guys do the point without it being too slow?

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:42 AM

What, in your mind, means a call is too slow?

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:02 AM

And why is it hard to do them at the same time? I dont use it but I dont have a problem with those who do -- and many of them aresimutaneaous and not too slow.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:14 AM

Stand point and call not hard.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:42 AM

Unless you're on your knees and waiting to get up and then point, I can't imagine how it would take an unreasonable amount of time.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 11:02 AM

Is there a time limit on a strike call?

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 11:29 AM

No different than a hammer and a voice. Point and voice are the same
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Posted 15 July 2012 - 12:27 PM

You just have to make your mind up your going to do it. I adjusted from strike then signal to simultaneous strike, hammer in one game. Looked bad a few times but from that point on no problems. What I found, for some reason it greatly improved my timing and the consistency of it.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 06:58 PM

I was just told by an evaluator that my point mechanic was too slow. I think I'm probably going to go back to the hammer because: A) It's faster B.) I can face the field the whole time C.) Easier to have good timing

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:04 PM

I use them both. For the younger kids, probably 12 and under, I point. For the older kids, it's hammer time. The kids and coaches seem to get confused at times with the hammer (out etc.) Pointing is not hard. stand, call point. Not real difficult. I umpired a few games with a guy last week who assigns for another HS chapter. He was telling me about the software he uses. Talked about evaluating and ranking "his" umpires. When he got done, I asked who evaluated and ranked him? One thing that I firmly believe in is being set to make a call out in the field. I am locked down like a tripod watching the play.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:28 PM

I was just told by an evaluator that my point mechanic was too slow. I think I'm probably going to go back to the hammer because: A) It's faster B.) I can face the field the whole time C.) Easier to have good timing


Sometimes the evaluators are idiots.

I've pointed my entire career. Voice at the same time as the point. My timing is quite slow. I'd probably say something like, "Thanks for the feedback" and that would be the end of it.

It's almost impossible to be too slow unless you are *trying* to be too slow on purpose.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:08 PM


I was just told by an evaluator that my point mechanic was too slow. I think I'm probably going to go back to the hammer because: A) It's faster B.) I can face the field the whole time C.) Easier to have good timing


Sometimes the evaluators are idiots.

I've pointed my entire career. Voice at the same time as the point. My timing is quite slow. I'd probably say something like, "Thanks for the feedback" and that would be the end of it.

It's almost impossible to be too slow unless you are *trying* to be too slow on purpose.


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:25 AM

Pony, as far as facing the field when you point, I feel like it's important to do so just in case something happens. A D-I umpire I work with every now and then told me he points up the first base line. I thought it looked good, made sense as to why he did it, so I started doing it also, and I must say I like it. Looks sharp (voice and point at same time), and you keep your head more forward.

My friend who works the in the NWL points to the side, but keeps his head forward when there are runners on.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:18 AM

I point, always have been. I used to go to the side but started pointing up the base line.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:18 AM

I point at the hottest glm in the stands. Lacking one worthy, I point up 1BL. :)
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:47 PM

I hammer as it's much closer to my dreaded softball mechanic and since I do both I want to keep it simple. I actually come with a quick punch in front of my face. When I do softball I only alter it slightly (delay it until well after the verbal), and that's only when I think about it.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:00 PM

Can't imagine what too slow would be. What's your evaluator's hurry? Frankly, early in the game, if F2 isn't wondering why I'm not calling a good pitch a strike (until he hears me), I feel that I am too fast. I see F2's holding a pitch and almost looking back in the first inning until they get used to my timing. After a few pitches, they get it. They also know because my "ball" verbal is faster than my "stike" verbal because it takes longer to stand up and point/verbal on a strike than it does to say "ball" and stay down.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:55 PM

What are your thoughts on the point strike mechanic? My problem with it is that its hard to have a simultaneous signal & verbal, while managing to make the call in a reasonable amount of time. How do you guys do the point without it being too slow?


I point, give a verbal at the same time AND chew gum.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:59 PM

When I'm not using the Leslie Nealson moonwalk strike, I'm a side pointer and in the past I've been told I was "too fast," so it certainly can be done. To me the only way the hammer is faster is if you aren't standing up to make it. Also, every umpire I've ever respected has told me "there is no such thing as too slow, it's nothing until you call it anyway."

I'll admit, I do feel rushed a little when I hear dady coach going "nice pitch, Jimmy" as I call about.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:25 PM

I personally am not a fan of the hammer strike in baseball, for the most part because I think it looks too much like the softball mechanic and I just don't like it. I know at pro school they require the hammer, and I believe until full season A you've gotta hammer. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on the level where that changes.)
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