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#1 sdix00

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:14 PM

SO Thunder's post on HS Line-ups had me referring to my handy-dandy HS cheat sheet at http://sn.im/umpirehs and realized that the substitution section was not finished. Now I know why. There is is lot of stuff.

So I chopped up the BRD, JR and WUM and came up with this summary of all the substitution stuff I need to know to know as a FED umpire. I still need to work on it to shorten it to more of a cheat sheet, so this is a first draft.

Ignore the poor formatting because gdocs and the HTML editor on U-E don't play well together. Let me know if I missed anything. Help me make it better.


HS SUBSTITUTION RULES

Line-up (1-1-2, 1.1.3, 4-4-1, 4.4.1e)
  • The name listed on the lineup card establishes the official batting order.
    • No penalty is provided if a player’s name and number do not match in the scorebook or card.
  • All Substitutes must be listed on the lineup card. No Penalty
  • At the time the lineups are exchanged, all starting players listed must be at the game site.
  • A team is allowed to continue with eight players. When the hole in the lineup fails to bat, record an out.
A Legal Substitute is: (2-36-1)
  • A substitute is a roster player eligible to enter.
Starters Re-entering:(3-1-3; 3.1.3b,CMT)
  • Any of the 10 starters (includes the DH) may withdraw and reenter the game once.
An Illegal Substitute:(2-36-3)(3.1.1c)
  • Illegal Sub may be discovered by the umpire, the opposing team, the scorer, or a fan.
  • An Illegal Sub is:
    • A player who is ineligible to participate, which includes a
    • withdrawn substitute
    • a twice-withdrawn starter
    • ejected or restricted players
  • Any player, including the player for whom the DH is hitting, who reenters in the wrong spot in the batting order
  • A designated hitter who enters the game on defense while the player for whom he is batting is still playing defense
  • A courtesy runner who violates the courtesy-runner rule.
Penalties for Illegal Substitutes: (3.1.1,c,g,l,m,o,p 3.1.3,a, 8-4-1k)
  • Illegal Sub is Out (if applicable) and Restricted.
  • Illegal Sub previously Restricted is Out (if applicable) and Ejected
  • On Offense:
    • A proper appeal of an Illegal Sub will cancel any run the illegal substitute scored or caused to be scored
    • Any outs made as a result of offensive action by the Illegal Sub will stand.
  • On defense:
    • If the Illegal Sub participates in a play and is properly appealed, the offense may take the result of the play or replay the pitch.
Unreported Substitutes: (2-36-2,3.1.1,b,c,d,3-1-1a,b,c)
  • An unreported substitute is a player eligible participate but who did not report to the UIC when he entered the game
  • The substitute is legal “when the ball is alive” and:
  • A runner reaches base
  • A pitcher intentionally contacts the pitcher’s plate
  • A fielder reaches his position
  • A batter takes his place in the batter’s box.
  • PENALTY for not reporting: none.
Projected Substitutions:(3-1-1; 3.1.1e)
  • The UIC may not accept projected substitutions:
  • Offensive changes must be reported when the team is on offense;
  • defensive changes, when on defense.
  • (NCAA and OBR, subs are not restricted to offense on offense and defense on defense)
Courtesy Runners: (2-33-1; 2.33.1; CR 1-7)
  • By state association adoption only. (CA has not adopted Courtesy Runners)
  • Teams may use a courtesy runner at any time after the pitcher or catcher reaches base.
    • The same player may not run for both.
    • Players who have entered the game may not be courtesy runners;
    • A player may not be a courtesy runner and substitute for any player in that half inning;
    • A player who has had a courtesy runner may not return for that runner in the same half-inning;
    • The UIC will record “courtesy runner participation
  • A courtesy runner who violates any of these rules is an illegal substitute.
    • Penalty: Out and Restricted
Pitching Substitutions:(3-1-1) (3-1-2)(3-1-3)(3.1.2b,c)
  • A substitute pitcher must pitch until the first batter (or any pinch hitter for that batter) to face him completes his at bat or a third out is registered.
  • Unless ill, injured, or removed for disciplinary reasons, the starting pitcher must pitch until the lead-off batter completes his at bat.
  • A starting pitcher replaced in the TOP of the first while his team is batting must be governed by all restrictions.
    • EXCEPT: If the pitcher does not face the requisite one batter, he is removed only from the mound, not the game. He may return at another position.
  • If the pitcher is injured and the requirements of the pitching-substitution rule have not been met, or if his replacement needs more warm-up throws than permitted by rule:
    • the replaced pitcher may not return to the mound in that game.
    • He may return at any other position.
  • Improper pitcher legalized:
    • Treat as in OBR(3.05c):
    • An improper pitcher (one who is in the game in contravention of the pitching-substitution rule) becomes a proper (legal) pitcher after one pitch or an out.
    • Any play in which he participates is legal.
    • This means, if P1 gets to an 0-3 count on his first batter and is illegally replaced by P2, once P2 retires a runner or the side or throws a pitch, P2 is legal, even though P1 was illegally removed.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:49 PM

All Substitutes must be listed on the lineup card.


I would change it to all subs present must be listed on the line-up. If caught at the exchange they must be listed before exchange can finalize. Anytime after, no penalty.

A team is allowed to continue with eight players. When the hole in the lineup fails to bat, record an out.

If a ninth becomes available he may be added.

Any of the 10 starters (includes the DH) may withdraw and reenter the game once.

Add: in their original line-up slot.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:07 AM

Thanks Steve!!!!!!!! :D

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:25 AM

Had this happen in one of our games last week: PH for F2 walks. F2 reenters for PH on 1B. CR now replaces F2 on 1B. All legal. While you can't CR for a PH, the coach can burn a sub and reentry to CR for F1 or F2.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:28 AM

Had this happen in one of our games last week: PH for F2 walks. F2 reenters for PH on 1B. CR now replaces F2 on 1B. All legal. While you can't CR for a PH, the coach can burn a sub and reentry to CR for F1 or F2.


Almost sounds like a conversation at work ..with all of our acronyms! LOL :D

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:41 AM

Had this happen in one of our games last week: PH for F2 walks. F2 reenters for PH on 1B. CR now replaces F2 on 1B. All legal. While you can't CR for a PH, the coach can burn a sub and reentry to CR for F1 or F2.


This raises the question, does the original F2 reentering become a projected substitution on defense?
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:53 AM

Luckily, FED answered that question back in 2005 or 6 in one of their preseason interps. It's legal. Without the interp it would be a head scratcher.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:08 AM

That is good to know. So since he was the last F2 of record, he can still be considered the F2?
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:31 AM

Yep, go here: http://www.stevetheu...FHS_rules_b.htm, and scroll down to 2005 interps Sit.2.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:38 AM

Yep, go here: http://www.stevetheu...FHS_rules_b.htm, and scroll down to 2005 interps Sit.2.


This is a great site. Unless Carl Childress does a write-up on the entomology of a particular rule, It's the only place I have found that journals all the interps and rule changes since 1999.

It's a heck of a resource and I submitted this site to the internet archive to make sure that they continue to cache the site in case it ever goes off-line.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:40 AM

That is a great site, thanks!
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:52 AM

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I want to point out that there is no extensive Index for FED rules other than the less-than-helpful four pages at the back of the FED rule book. Compare that to Evans's 50-page OBR index. The closest thing there is is the High School Rules by Topic publication that offers a reorganization of the rules. Helpful, but still doesn't make it hyper easy to find a particular rule.

Childress's BRD serves as a GREAT index for all rule codes. You can locate a FED rule (or interp, or POE) by crossing from the OBR or NCAA rule number, or by the topic, or by the situation. It is also ordered in a logical fashion.

I haven't had a protestable Sitch on the field yet, however if I do, I will be reaching for the BRD first, then the Rule or Case book.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:05 PM

Nice work Sdix. Just copied to a word document and printed to keep in my gear bag

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:07 AM

Just thinking here. Pasting below from your post:
How does a player get restricted? :rolleyes:

An Illegal Substitute:(2-36-3)(3.1.1c)
  • Illegal Sub may be discovered by the umpire, the opposing team, the scorer, or a fan.
  • An Illegal Sub is:
  • A player who is ineligible to participate, which includes a
  • withdrawn substitute
  • a twice-withdrawn starter
  • ejected or restricted players
[/list]
Get it right the 1st time, if not then just move on.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:22 AM

Just thinking here. Pasting below from your post:
How does a player get restricted? :rolleyes:

An Illegal Substitute:(2-36-3)(3.1.1c)

  • Illegal Sub may be discovered by the umpire, the opposing team, the scorer, or a fan.
  • An Illegal Sub is:
  • A player who is ineligible to participate, which includes a
  • withdrawn substitute
  • a twice-withdrawn starter
  • ejected or restricted players
[/list]



What are you asking? Are you saying a player can not be restricted?

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:26 AM

All Substitutes must be listed on the lineup card.

I would change it to all subs present must be listed on the line-up. If caught at the exchange they must be listed before exchange can finalize. Anytime after, no penalty.

A team is allowed to continue with eight players. When the hole in the lineup fails to bat, record an out.

If a ninth becomes available he may be added.

Any of the 10 starters (includes the DH) may withdraw and reenter the game once.

Add: in their original line-up slot.


Awesome - modified the doc.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:59 AM


Just thinking here. Pasting below from your post:
How does a player get restricted? :rolleyes:

An Illegal Substitute:(2-36-3)(3.1.1c)

  • Illegal Sub may be discovered by the umpire, the opposing team, the scorer, or a fan.
  • An Illegal Sub is:
  • A player who is ineligible to participate, which includes a
  • withdrawn substitute
  • a twice-withdrawn starter
  • ejected or restricted players
[/list]



What are you asking? Are you saying a player can not be restricted?




1st off let me say, I appreciate you taking the time to put this together.
I'm not saying a player can't be restricted, but he can only be restricted for being an illegal sub. :smachhead: Visious cycle.
Get it right the 1st time, if not then just move on.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:00 PM



Just thinking here. Pasting below from your post:
How does a player get restricted? :rolleyes:

An Illegal Substitute:(2-36-3)(3.1.1c)

  • Illegal Sub may be discovered by the umpire, the opposing team, the scorer, or a fan.
  • An Illegal Sub is:
  • A player who is ineligible to participate, which includes a
  • withdrawn substitute
  • a twice-withdrawn starter
  • ejected or restricted players
[/list]



What are you asking? Are you saying a player can not be restricted?




1st off let me say, I appreciate you taking the time to put this together.
I'm not saying a player can't be restricted, but he can only be restricted for being an illegal sub. :smachhead: Visious cycle.


Gotcha, and correct.

I guess the point is, if he has already been restricted (due to entering illegally), then enters illegally again, he is subject to EJ.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:18 PM

I believe they only have a restriction for illegal subs so that the player does not have to serve a suspension past the current game. In most states, an ejection means a minimum suspension, but a restriction is just the game you are currently in.
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