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#1 Wayne

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 08:53 PM

Strange play in little league junior level game. Hard ground ball up the middle, strikes the rubber and comes right back over head of catcher and pu and rolls to backstop. We ruled as a fair ball with no complaints or second thoughts. Worked with a much more exp. guy a couple of days later, we discussed briefly and he thought it might be a foul ball. Ruling correct? Thanks


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Posted 20 June 2010 - 09:00 PM

Read the definition of a fair ball. Does this meet any of those conditions? It didn't touch first, second or third base. It didn't touch any player or umpire while on or over fair territory. It didn't pass first or third base before rolling foul. So it's not a fair ball. Pretty kooky, but foul still the same...

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 09:39 PM

take your time out there and think of the RULES----it did not pay 1 or 3rd fair and did not touch a players or ump---FOUL

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 09:44 PM

Yup!! Foul ball.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 11:50 PM

Read the definition of a fair ball.


Forget that. Read the full definition of FOUL BALL. Skipping most of it:

Rule 2.00 (Foul Ball) Comment: A batted ball not touched by a fielder, which hits the pitcher’s rubber and rebounds into foul territory, between home and first, or between home and third base is a foul ball.

Seems cut and dry to me.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 06:47 AM

Strange play in little league junior level game. Hard ground ball up the middle, strikes the rubber and comes right back over head of catcher and pu and rolls to backstop. We ruled as a fair ball with no complaints or second thoughts. Worked with a much more exp. guy a couple of days later, we discussed briefly and he thought it might be a foul ball. Ruling correct? Thanks

Hey Wayne, Sounds like your experienced guy needs to take a rules refresher course :smachhead:
But the good news is you learned something by coming here and asking the question. Here's one you will never get wrong again, and you will now be a mentor to others because of it:cheers:

#7 Rich Ives

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 08:34 AM

Forget that. Read the full definition of FOUL BALL. Skipping most of it:

Rule 2.00 (Foul Ball) Comment: A batted ball not touched by a fielder, which hits the pitcher’s rubber and rebounds into foul territory, between home and first, or between home and third base is a foul ball.

Seems cut and dry to me.


Only problem is that this was a LL ump and the LL book doesn't have that comment in it. It applies, it's just not in the book.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:22 AM

Hey Wayne, Sounds like your experienced guy needs to take a rules refresher course :fuel:


Actually, his more experienced ump said it was a foul ball. And, he was correct.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:22 AM

foul ball........

happened to me about 15 years ago ...happened so fast we didnt' know what to do ....called the kid out at first because the ball bounced back to the catcher standing in his original position .........crazy stuff

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:21 PM

hell never get it wrong becuase hell never see it again!

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 07:57 AM

thanks for the help guys




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