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  2. Aging_Arbiter

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    Equipment?
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  4. WilsonFlyer

    Position

    Wait. What? I'm supposed to move somewhere with all that equipment on?
  5. MadMax

    Position

    “Is to go” ? If this is your directive, Falco, you’re proving the antiquation of this derelict variety of the 2-man System. As @yawetag says: Point is, with no other runners on, get your PU arse out from behind the plate!!! Surely, the BU has (should have) the BR all the way to 3B, but that doesn’t mean that PU can go sit in foul territory and just brush up on his latest reading. What if this “clean base hit” of which you speak is to right field, and your BU misreads it as trouble, and goes out? Is a PU really going to stand out there in the library and continue to observe? Ohhhhh, I get it... stepping out from behind the plate into the infield with little ball-tykes on 46-60 and 50-70 is likely nervewracking. I mean, that PU probably won’t be able to react quick enough if the ball gets fumbled and thrown about while BR goes all the way around and touches them all on a single... with three errors.
  6. Mudisfun

    HS JV Game EJ on Friday

    The game ended. I thanked God for getting the coaches to agree to a mercy rule at the plate meeting, which saved me another 1/2 hour of calling ball after ball... I then drove home, ate dinner and hung out with the kids. :-)
  7. beerguy55

    What is the correct call?

    In softball, first, the runner is NOT out if on the base when he is hit by the ball. The ball can be dead or alive, depending on the positioning of the fielders. If it passed a fielder it's live, if not it's dead. On a dead ball the runners remain on their base, unless forced by the batter. Unless the shortstop was playing inside the baseline this is probably going to be a dead ball, with batter getting first, and R2 staying on second unless there was already a runner on first. There are also some variants of slow pitch where this is always a live ball.
  8. Guest

    What is the correct call?

    The situation: Men's Softball. The bases are loaded, zero or one out, the infield is playing back, looking for the potential double play option. The batter hits one hop shot, through the box, up the middle, drilling the runner at second on the lower leg before he can leave the base (so his foot is on the base when hit). Ball deflects to the shortstop who tries to make a play on the other runners. What is the correct call? Live Ball - fielders play the deflection? Dead Ball - each runner advances one base? Dead Ball - Runner struck is ruled out, the batter gets first base? Your assistance is appreciated.
  9. beerguy55

    Softball

    There are some variances among the softball codes, but I don't think much. First - the other team must appeal before the offending team notices and announces the substitution. In this case, the offense must appeal before the defense fixes it. Assuming that happens - Essentially - the player is declared ineligible, must leave the game, and must be subbed - in this case, it's a double whammy - because it's an illegal re-entry, the player who original subbed to bat is now out of the game, the player who was re-entered without announcement is also out of the game. If the team has no other subs, they forfeit. AND...if the offense appeals before the next pitch, they have the option to nullify the pitch/play - the batter would return with whatever count he had before the pitch he hit for the out. The appealing team has the choice - so, for example, if the batter got a hit and two RBI's, and then appealed the substitution, they could take the play, and get the player removed from the game. Or, they could wait until a scenario came up where that illegal substitute made an out - they can appeal the illegal substitution any time until the end of the game, before the umps leave the field, or until the other team corrects their mistake. All other play that occurred with the illegal substitution prior to the appeal is legal and stands. NOTE: I have coached in codes where the umpire corrects the mistake at the end of the inning, if they notice it (the common scenario that can come up is a team subs their pitcher mid-inning and in all the activity actually forgets to formally tell the umpire - I've seen codes where the ump corrects this at end of inning) There are a bunch of different ways this can happen on offense, that could lead to different scenarios around people being called out, or just being subbed, but the common factor is the unannounced sub is removed from the game.
  10. rusnew2

    Balk or No Balk

    Fair enough, you learn something new everyday. I would have given him a balk based on how I interpreted the rule based on not supposing to remove the throwing hand from the ball until the "actual delivery" is made which meant to me that the throwing hand was to remain on the ball consistently until it actually left the pitchers had as part of the actual throw to the plate. Good to know and thank you for your answer and explanation.
  11. noumpere

    Balk or No Balk

    It's once a pitcher has come set, or joined the hands that he can't do it -- except as part of his motion, which this was. If both hands were at his side, and then both were moved at the same time to join, this is (by rule) a balk in FED. How strictly it's called depends on the area. There are pitchers who start with the hands together, swing both back as part of the step bak and then swing both to the front and have them meet as part of the lift to the balance point. But, I've only seen this with the ball staying in the pitching hand.
  12. Mr Ump

    CP under plate coat

    I am looking for a dark grey to match pants.
  13. Mine fit snug in the body, neck and arms. I went a size down to lg from xl. I wanted it snug so it was perfect for my needs.
  14. rusnew2

    Balk or No Balk

    I was under the impression that once a pitchers motion had started that he could not remove his hand from the ball or the ball from the glove except as part of theThe actual delivery of the pitch. This is why I thought that the Offensive coach had a legitimate gripe. The way his motion looked, it was almost akin to coming double set except that he stayed in motion once he started. he would start facing the batter (in the windup fashion) with his hand at his side while he took the sign from the catcher. Then would bring his hands together in front of him and come "set". Then would start his windup motion, stepping "slightly" back with his free foot, as he was stepping back is when he would separate his hands, His throwing hand would go to his side (without the ball in it) as he made his pivot foot adjustment. Then as he was starting to bring his free foot around and into his leg kick he would put his hands back together as if he was coming "set" from the stretch and his leg would go up into his kick and he would complete his delivery. Like I said, the only thing that made it odd was that once he broke the original "set" position he never stopped making it all one motion. Like I said above, is the only reason I thought the Offensive coach had a reason for complaint.
  15. maven

    Spin move question

    Both the jab step (pivot > 3B) and jump step can be done legally or illegally. One way for the jab step to be illegal occurs when F1 clearly steps first with the pivot foot before lifting the free foot. One way for the jump step to be illegal occurs when F1 merely spins on the free foot without gaining distance toward the base. Both moves can be done by LHP or RHP: LHP would use them for pickoffs at 3B, RHP at 1B (so they're more common from righties). The rules are the same for LHP and RHP.
  16. maven

    Balk or No Balk

    I agree that, provided F1's motion is continuous, we don't care about glove shaking, foot resetting (no more than 1 step), etc. The only part of it that sounds fishy is this: "When this happened the ball remained in his glove until the second time he pulled his hand out of the glove." That sounds like poor pitching technique (no opportunity to adjust grip), but I don't think it's illegal: we allow tapping the ball in the glove (bringing hands back together) as part of the windup motion.
  17. noumpere

    Softball

    I seem to remember reading where that's an invalid assumption, at least for some softball rules codes. An "unannounced sub" is some sort of illegal player (but I don't know the exact penalty, or if it varies by code).
  18. noumpere

    Balk or No Balk

    Once the pitcher starts his motion he can do almost anything he wants with his hands, as long as the motion is continuous, and there aren't more than two "pumps." No balk in the OP. (But the motion wouldn't seem to be very effecient, at least to me.)
  19. Thunderheads

    Balk or No Balk

    No offense taken. However, .... your question was: balk or not? You can't balk without runners, ....that was my only point and why I asked
  20. rusnew2

    Balk or No Balk

    To address both of you, Richvee: You are correct, however the only difference between these rules and the wind up rules is he is not allowed to throw to a base without first disengaging the rubber. Other than that they are fairly identical. It was late and I grabbed and clipped the wrong heading. Because I know that once a pitcher in the wind up puts his hands together in front of his body, he is considered to be "set" and from this point on he must either deliver his pitch or break contact of the pitching rubber with his pivot foot. For instance, once he is in this position. If the pitcher removes his throwing hand from his glove and places it back at his side then that is a balk if it is done before breaking contact with the rubber. Thunderheads: I did mention he was in the wind up, However, I did not mention whether there were runners or not. I guess I should have mentioned that bases were loaded. However, how does runners matter or pertain to the question of whether it is a balk or not? If a pitcher balks with runners on base then they each advance one base, if a pitcher balk's with no runners on base he charged a ball for the balk. So no offense I do not see how that is truly relevant to the question.
  21. Aging_Arbiter

    HS JV Game EJ on Friday

    they drank beer?
  22. Aging_Arbiter

    Softball

    I'm assuming that it's like baseball, and that "once a player assumes the position of the fielder, and play commences..." that it is considered an unannounced substitution.
  23. Richvee

    Balk or No Balk

    These are not the rules for a wind up. They are the rules for the set position.
  24. Thunderheads

    High School Pitching Rules

    Correct. Umpires don't have any say in the "pitch count" rules unless we have to step in and verify their numbers in which we stick w/ the home teams count. Pitch count has been in effect for a few years now and I've NEVER been involved in any of it, thankfully!
  25. Thunderheads

    Balk or No Balk

    How is this a balk in the first place? You have stated he's in a 'wind up' position, and you also mention no runners.
  26. rusnew2

    High School Pitching Rules

  27. rusnew2

    Balk or No Balk

    So tonight in a High School game I was watching the pitcher was pitching from the wind up. He would come set with his throwing hand in his glove in front of him. He would start his motion by slightly stepping back with his free foot as he was adjusting his pivot foot to be parallel with the pitching rubber he would separate his hands and would bring his throwing hand down to his side and would "shake" his gloved hand in front of him (to get an idea of what this shake looked like shake your hand like you are trying to "adjust" your wrist watch into a more comfortable position). then once his pivot foot was in the place where he wanted it to be and as he was raising his leg to kick for his pitch delivery he would bring his hands back together and raise them up behind his head and would then separate them again as part of his "forward" motion delivery. The Offensive teams coach was calling for a balk ruling on this but it was never called. My question is, can a pitcher from the wind up separate his hands like that an put his throwing arm back to his side as and then reach back into his glove "part of his motion"? When this happened the ball remained in his glove until the second time he pulled his hand out of the glove. According to NFHS Rules From the wind up position, Before delivering the pitch, he will bring both hands together in front of his body. Once brought together, the pitcher may not separate his hands except to do one of three things: Deliver the pitch to the batter, Step and throw to an occupied base to pick off a batter, or Properly disengage the rubber by stepping backward off the rubber with the pivot foot. If the pitcher separates his hands other than for these three reasons, it is a balk. From what I can tell this "should" be a balk but the rule does not specifically call this out as happening "once he has started his motion" What is the ruling on this?
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