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  2. Senor Azul

    Home-away uniform.

    From an article titled Breaking down MLB's jersey name game, written by Paul Lukas for ESPN on 4/26/17: Notes: The Brew Crew has had a split personality when it comes to Name at home, city on road (NAH-COR). They've always worn their team name at home, but on the road they've had three major eras: "Brewers" from 1970-77, "Milwaukee" from 1978-99, and "Brewers" from 2000 to the present. Should they go NAH-COR? Yup. The Brewers currently have a navy "Milwaukee" jersey in their wardrobe, so why not put that script on the road grays? Here’s a link to the full article listing all the teams who do not follow the league protocol. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/19249734/examining-teams-buck-mlb-home-road-uniform-trend
  3. I can see that side of it. Just as long as we stay away from grey ballbags right? Lol
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  5. Jimurray

    Home-away uniform.

    Has the protocol changed in the regular and/or postseason as to what the visiting team uniform will say on the front. It used to be the city but I see Brewers in LA.
  6. Actually, I don't. I think black looks good with everything because it matches the belt and shoes. The real reason I don't like navy (shirts or hats) is because when you're working with the old geezer (or even a guy that's had it as his only shirt for 5 years), his shirt and hat have faded so much that they don't match anymore. I don't disagree with your larger points. But good luck getting TPTB to change anything. I'm on your side, but I've grown cynical in my old age.
  7. As I read some of these responses several issues jump out at me and there are several things I want to address. First, @kylehutson, You are correct in that our association doesn't technically require navy ballbags. Thus, I stand corrected and I thank you for bringing the specific regulations to my attention. However, I still stand by my original points. The KSHSAA still requires us to wear either an "NFHS approved navy blue or black pullover shirt." While different color ballbags are not specifically mentioned, I think we can all agree that ballbags need to match the hat color. Further, I find it interesting that the regulations don't mention anything about black hats. No one should wear navy hats with black shirts, that is just silly. Therefore, while the KSHSAA regulations are surprisingly vague, the spirit of the regs remains the same. (That is, we approve of umpires wearing either navy or black and for them to look the same.) Even though both navy and black are mentioned, my experience has indicated to me that navy is still the standard (if not in fact, in appearance.) There have been numerous times where I have worked with first-year umpires and many of them only have one color of shirt-------navy. Thus, navy is clearly still regarded as the standard and it furthers my point that those of us who work with many different partners, some of which prefer black, are still forced to buy navy hats and navy ballbags to keep our uniform jiving. I have also worked with many newer partners that only have one color of the hat....... making it more difficult to adhere to the regulation that we should be dressed the same. For example, I may email a partner and he tells me he only has one color of shirt (navy). Thus, I only pack navy on my way to the game and my partner shows up with a black hat. While it's not a huge deal, it still looks a little funny when we are standing together. We look mismatched, dysfunctional, and unorganized. That is one reason why I am advocating for just eliminating the navy from our repertoire altogether. Next, we seem to be getting a little bit off topic with regards to the recruiting new umpires thing. I never said that updating the shirts would bring in new recruits by itself. like @kylehutson mentioned, his recruits cite different reasons and I agree with him. This, however, is tangential to my point where I argued that having to buy supporting accessories for navy constitutes a higher price tag for new officials. They must buy more hats, and preferably, more ballbags instead of just a one size fits all black hat and black ballbag. My association has rightly identified startup cost as a huge factor deterring new recruits from joining. Thus, I would think that taking a small step to reduce this cost would help. Further, @LMSANS has used some faulty logic and faulty debate topics to support his points and refute mine. First, you seem to be raising the slippery slope issue with regards to updating shirts. (If we want to get more modern we change a shirt here and change a shirt there and pretty soon we are wearing street clothes and basketball shorts.) When dealing with a "where does it stop argument" my experience has taught me that the answer is always SOMEWHERE. It stops somewhere long before street clothes. No one is arguing for wearing Tshirts and street clothes, all that has been argued is that we update to a more modern style and color scheme. Therefore, the where does it stop argument doesn't really hold water under close scrutiny. Second, when faced with the argument for updating shirts, you seem to be using the tactic that I call "what aboutisms" where your counterargument consists of "what about time limits, what about pay, what about XYZ." This tactic doesn't really accomplish anything other than deflecting blame and dancing around the main issue. No one asserts that time, pay and a myriad of other negative externalities don't exist that deter recruits. I am merely tying low recruiting number, high startup costs, and other issues to the issue of updating shirts with sound and reasonable logic. Finally, I agree with @JSam21 about eliminating excuses and I think that if new standards were adequately codified, we could stop further issues. If associations, like mine, would put into writing a regulation detailing that navy blue is no longer an acceptable color, unless both partners agree to it and completely match, the "old geezers" would have no choice but to update. They wouldn't be able to tell you that they just have their one navy shirt from 1980 and that's it. The association standards could clearly oppose this by detailing that navy is not a standard shirt. All-in-all, I still firmly believe that abandoning navy makes sense for reasons I've mentioned before. Additionally, most of us don't like the color. I still support updating our shirts out of the 80s and into the modern day. After all, perception can make all the difference. If we look good, we feel good, we get more respect. I still have not been convinced that any of the counterarguments hold any weight.
  8. Lou B

    Has anyone ever had a 4th out appeal call?

    Had one last weekend in a 10U Travel Tournament.
  9. You've completely lost me here. Enjoy your navy shirts forever and ever.
  10. Jimurray

    DH Rule ?

    As opposed to the NCAA and OBR DH rule? FED seems pretty simple compared to NCAA and OBR but usually no one pushes the envelope in NCAA and OBR so they seem simpler.
  11. Double Up

    Balk Rule - runner at first

    Hilarious!! Just goes to show how completely ignorant 99% of all the spectators are when it comes to the rules. Most peoples versions of the rulebook have been handed down through old wives tales and miscommunication from their LL coaches.
  12. Double Up

    DH Rule ?

    YEAH! The Joys of HS Baseball!
  13. Because that's all it is - an excuse. They'll find another. And besides, it doesn't eliminate the excuse. They'll have to work someday with the geezer who's had his navy shirt since 1986 and refuses to get another, so you end up getting the navy anyway.
  14. You say that to get recruits, we should "eliminate the excuse". That is all I'm suggesting. I'm not looking for the great debate. I have a partner that bought 2 of every color that Official's Choice offered a few years back. When we worked a travel tourney, he suggested wearing something other than blue. I went along for the ride since he supplied the shirts. Nobody outside of the umpires that took the field after us noticed or cared. Look at the real reason we can't get recruits; the game has no time limits (yes, I know many leagues put time limits in, which many on this site put down as "not real baseball"), the other sports are shorter in length, have more action and pay the same or more. The number of participants is growing in Lacrosse & soccer at a faster rate (anecdotal, I don't have actual stats). Kids are playing one sport only and that is most of the year. So to get more umpires, we should modernize the shirt. Okay, I'll concede the point. I'm sure they'll be knocking down the doors to get in.
  15. Ahh.. yes... great debate points there. You said you had to buy a rainbow of colors... I've worn nothing but black and polo blue for the past few years. But it is obvious that you don't want to actually have a discussion about this topic. It is obvious that we are entering a crisis when it comes to a shortage of officials... If this is one way to get new guys to come in, then I welcome it. It would also force guys to get new shirts that desperately need to get them. Overall it sounds like a win-win to me.
  16. Maybe we should go the route of soccer refs with many neon colors or better yet, vertical stripes, like most sports. Why wear a uniform at all? let's just wear street clothes or dress like the coaches in team shorts & sweats.
  17. What we do has very little to do with MLB umpires. I have to spend $$ to buy a rainbow of colored shirts & a variety of styles to make umpires happy. No one else notices. The OP was all about a potential umpire not wanting to wear grandma's shirt. Tastes evolve...the blue button shirts from the 60's & 70's were modern once.
  18. Ok... so why not try to eliminate an excuse if we can to recruit new umpires?
  19. If that is the reason to not umpire, they are just looking for an excuse.
  20. Jimurray

    DH Rule ?

    FED: The DH could also take a defensive position. The DH role is terminated but the player who was the DH still can be in the game. The PO would be on the bench but would have one re-entry in the player's (who was the DH) batting order slot. That player who was the DH would also have one re-entry if he was replaced by a sub.
  21. Richvee

    Balk Rule - runner at first

    I had it at 3B to end a game.... R2, 2 outs, last inning team AB down a run. RHP comes set. R2 breaks for 3rd. (I don't know why). F1 steps, throws to 3B, out by 20 feet. Game over. ...Let $h*t show commence...Coaches, parents, players, all going nuts..."You don't know the rules, you're the worst umpire ever"...all the fun stuff..2 post game ejections followed, and 2 parents following us to the cars. Closest I ever came to having to call the police.
  22. Have you used this line on MLB umpires yet? Also, not sure how many of us posting on an umpire message board are threatening to not umpire based on the shirt. Lastly, appearance obviously matters in umpiring. A better, more modern shirt contributes to that.
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  24. Double Up

    Has anyone ever had a 4th out appeal call?

    Wow, guess I don't get out enough!
  25. maven

    Has anyone ever had a 4th out appeal call?

    I've had it several times.
  26. How does wanting to have up to date uniforms have anything to do with an umpires attitude?
  27. Mudisfun

    Umpiring experience and job interviews

    A friend of mine was an HR VP for a large computer games maker. Whenever he saw umpire or similar on a resume, he told me that he would always make sure to interview that person. So yes, it can be helpful... but like anything else on a resume, it has to resonate with the person reading it...
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